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Posted on 2/13/18 at 2:39 pm to Jake_LaMotta
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How did Coach Saban win a NC with a bunch of 3* players and even worse Mike Shula players who when they played for Shula were absolutely mediocre to average at best?
There isn't a Coach in the nation that can develop players like Saban can. What you don't understand is there is more to it than just 'stars'. You have to coach and develop these kids. You have to get them in the weightroom and training table. You have to put them at the correct position on the field.
What is going to be hilarious is after 6 years when Kirby hasn't won a National Championship seeing you try and explain why. I mean isn't that why Richt was fired? Couldn't win it all? So, what happens after year 6 and all these glorious recruiting classes and no NC to show for it. Do you fire Kirby?
Georgia simply isn't a program that is able to compete for national championships other than every 20 to 30 years. Doesn't matter who the coach is.
The national championship or bust mentality literally seems to exist in the vapid expanse that you call headspace and among others on this board.
Let's just take your hypothetical... UGA doesn't win a national championship in the next 6 years... I disagree, but that point is irrelevant. Let's pretend it's true...
However, in this asinine hypothetical, since we have to base it *solely* on what we've seen thus far, and that past performance is apparently an absolute indicator of future performance (you seem to think this is accurate since we can't win a national championship any more frequently than we have)... that would mean that Kirby wins the SEC every other season, recruits an average #3 rated class, and makes the playoffs every other year as well... If that's the case, Kirby has a job as long as he wants it because who can you replace him with who can match it.
In 15 years, Richt had zero classes rated number 1 in the SEC, let alone in the country. Additionally, we played in zero national championship games. And we won 2 SEC championships in 15 years (played for 2 more). On a comparative basis, even if we *don't* win a national championship, if I'm supposed to use your bullshite logic Smart's trajectory is better than Richt at this time.
NB4 Richt won the SEC in 2002... he also lost to UF and didn't essentially blow out the entire division en route to Atlanta with a true freshman quarterback and get 2 rival coaches fired in the process.
Also, Alabama took 22/32 players in 2008 that were 4* and 5*. Followed by 18/28 in 2009 that were 4* and 5*. I'm sure there were plenty of contributing members to the 2009 national championship that were 3* players, but over half of your roster by 2009 was blue chips (factoring in the 12 from Shula) in an era when they were significantly more spread out.
Also, let's totally ignore that you're basically making the argument *for* UGA to have sustained success... Saban inherited a team that had 10 wins just 2 years prior, proceeded to manage 7 wins in year 1 (over the previous year's 6), put together strong recruiting classes and then manage a 12 win season losing in the SECCG and a Bowl game. Then followed that up with *another* strong recruiting class and proceeded to win a national championship and start the current run.
Why does Saban get credit for getting better performance out of Shula's players and supplementing with high quality recruits, but Smart sees no similar credit for having Richt players playing at a higher level in year 2 while supplementing with high quality recruits. Literally nothing about your argument makes sense. "UGA hasn't won a national championship since 1980" is not a logical basis for "UGA can't compete for a national championship any more regularly than 20-30 years". It may or may not end up being true, but you have no *logical basis* upon which to draw that conclusion, since, past performance is actually not indicative of future performance... no matter how much you seem to want it to be.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 3:44 pm to Jake_LaMotta
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How did Coach Saban win a NC with a bunch of 3* players and even worse Mike Shula players who when they played for Shula were absolutely mediocre to average at best?
I notice you completely avoided the NFL draft evidence proving you wrong. So simple.
Anyways, is your 3 star claim true? A quick look at rivals rankings (since 247 wasn't even around back then) says you are FOS.
The site shows that a majority of your best players on that 2009 team were 4 and 5 stars: Your best WR, best 2 RB's, best DB Barron, best OL Mike Johnson, and the SEC DPOY McClain were all not 3 stars. The same fact can be even better applied to every Bama team after that. Saban is winning with talented players, and he himself says he needs them. You calling Saban an idiot?
Why does Saban sign so many prospects that are considered 4 and 5 stars by idiot recruiting services? You are essentially calling Saban an idiot.
This post was edited on 2/13/18 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 2/13/18 at 4:21 pm to fibonaccisquared
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There isn't a Coach in the nation that can develop players like Saban can. What you don't understand is there is more to it than just 'stars'. You have to coach and develop these kids. You have to get them in the weightroom and training table. You have to put them at the correct position on the field.
More importantly, when you keep bringing in big egos, you have to be a master at keeping people happy while putting the best product on the field. Urban Meyer was awful at this and it doomed his stop at Florida and creating a dynasty like you see at Bama.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 4:48 pm to fibonaccisquared
Pretty sure Richt was 2-3 in SEC Championship games.
Mike Shula and Blue Chip Recruits?
Georgia just had a once in a lifetime/Generation season. It isn’t something that will be happening again anytime soon. Having one great recruiting class doesn’t mean automatic and repeated National Championship game appearances.
Kirby also just competed in the worst SEC East in a long time. Richt was competing against a much stronger SEC East for 90% of his tenure. You can’t even seriously compare the 2002 SEC East to the 2017 version. That is laughable.
Kirby hasn’t (and won’t) do anything at Georgia that Richt didn’t do. Talking to me about mythical recruiting rankings isn’t going to change that. What matters is what happens on the field. I don’t care what crazy recruiting scenarios you come up with. There is only one football and only 11 can be in the field at one time. That is something I as a Bama Man realized a long time ago. You will too eventually when you start having transfers and kids that were 5*’s are being outplayed by 3*’s and you have a 5* player like we did who couldn’t even start until his Senior year behind two separate 3*’s. They all can’t play at once. You are new to this and will figure it out eventually just like people had to explain repeatedly to the Georgia fans on here how the playoff rankings work each week.
Mike Shula and Blue Chip Recruits?
Georgia just had a once in a lifetime/Generation season. It isn’t something that will be happening again anytime soon. Having one great recruiting class doesn’t mean automatic and repeated National Championship game appearances.
Kirby also just competed in the worst SEC East in a long time. Richt was competing against a much stronger SEC East for 90% of his tenure. You can’t even seriously compare the 2002 SEC East to the 2017 version. That is laughable.
Kirby hasn’t (and won’t) do anything at Georgia that Richt didn’t do. Talking to me about mythical recruiting rankings isn’t going to change that. What matters is what happens on the field. I don’t care what crazy recruiting scenarios you come up with. There is only one football and only 11 can be in the field at one time. That is something I as a Bama Man realized a long time ago. You will too eventually when you start having transfers and kids that were 5*’s are being outplayed by 3*’s and you have a 5* player like we did who couldn’t even start until his Senior year behind two separate 3*’s. They all can’t play at once. You are new to this and will figure it out eventually just like people had to explain repeatedly to the Georgia fans on here how the playoff rankings work each week.
This post was edited on 2/13/18 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 2/13/18 at 4:50 pm to djsdawg
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A quick look at rivals rankings (since 247 wasn't even around back then) says you are FOS.
You imbecile someone already laid this out by star ranking for the first team O and D. You are wrong.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 4:53 pm to ZeusStamos
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If UGA is able to reach its full potential
Posted on 2/13/18 at 5:11 pm to beatbammer
Auburn is a backup school.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 5:14 pm to Jake_LaMotta
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A quick look at rivals rankings (since 247 wasn't even around back then) says you are FOS.
You imbecile someone already laid this out by star ranking for the first team O and D. You are wrong.
Let's see it and then we can check to see if it's accurate and then we can compare to other Bama teams to see just how many of your Bama teams are full of badass 3 stars outperforming your 4 and 5 stars. Maybe saban and the anayliars are idiots like you claim, or maybe it's you.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 5:15 pm to ZeusStamos
None, because those programs all won a national championship.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 5:17 pm to Volatile
Tennessee will literally never win the East again.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 5:21 pm to Jake_LaMotta
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Richt was competing against a much stronger SEC East for 90% of his tenure. You can’t even seriously compare the 2002 SEC East to the 2017 version. That is laughable.
The 2002 east was full of crap just like the 2017 east. Uga 2017 was better than uga 2002 in every single stat comparison.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 5:26 pm to ZeusStamos
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Tennessee will literally never win the East again.
One can also say the only reason you won the East in 2017 was because Florida and Tennessee are down. Let’s not forget Kirby is 1-1 against both Tennesse and Florida. And GT
0-1 against Alabama
In year three Richt went 11-3 with yet another win over Alabama and an SEC championship game appearance and a #7 finish. Going to be hard for Kirby to match that. If he doesn’t what will your excuse be?
Posted on 2/13/18 at 5:29 pm to djsdawg
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The 2002 east was full of crap just like the 2017 east.
Just stop. The 2017 SEC East was a putrid embarrassment. Literally the worst division in Power 5 by all respected analytic measures.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 5:35 pm to Jake_LaMotta
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One can also say the only reason you won the East in 2017 was because Florida and Tennessee are down. Let’s not forget Kirby is 1-1 against both Tennesse and Florida. And GT
We absolutely steamrolled the SEC East this year. It wasn't like we were barely winning those games. Furthermore, you mentioned Tennessee, Florida, and GT. We beat those three teams by a combined score of 121-14.
Look, you're not very smart. You had to go to Alabama. Alabama is even worse than Auburn academically.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 5:37 pm to ZeusStamos
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We absolutely steamrolled the SEC East this year.
As many people have pointed out to you this was not unique to Georgia.
The East was awful and that is putting it nicely.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 5:40 pm to Jake_LaMotta
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Pretty sure Richt was 2-3 in SEC Championship games.
Accurate. Didn't account for the 03 "three-way tie" season.
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Mike Shula and Blue Chip Recruits?
Look at the rankings.. he had a few. Nowhere near enough to matter, but they were there...
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Georgia just had a once in a lifetime/Generation season. It isn’t something that will be happening again anytime soon. Having one great recruiting class doesn’t mean automatic and repeated National Championship game appearances.
Rinse and repeat. Your opinion doesn't make this a fact... It's not terribly surprising that you fail to grasp that concept.
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Kirby also just competed in the worst SEC East in a long time.
The *results* were that it was the worst SEC East in a long time, but South Carolina was improved, Kentucky was actually improved. The reality was just that Florida was finally exposed and Butch finally had the blade drop after having his execution stayed. The east wasn't meaningfully worse last year than it has been since 2013... Georgia simply was that much better. The 2002 East was better, but not by light years... definitely not averaging 20+ points blow out wins over nearly every team better... 2017 UGA was superior to 2002 UGA (and I can say that as someone who would prefer it wasn't true, given that I was on campus for those years).
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Kirby hasn’t (and won’t) do anything at Georgia that Richt didn’t do.
Played in a national championship... next.
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mythical recruiting rankings
Just because you believe something to be mythical doesn't make them so. They have been statistically proven to have merit... whether you choose to accept it or not.
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There is only one football and only 11 can be in the field at one time. That is something I as a Bama Man realized a long time ago.
Yep... and if you haven't realized yet that the reason Bama wins the way it does is because the difference between your 1st and 3rd string is less than the difference between most teams' 1st and second, I'm not sure anyone is ever going to get through the thick mat of hair covering the a-hole which your head is firmly engulfed by.
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You are new to this and will figure it out eventually just like people had to explain repeatedly to the Georgia fans on here how the playoff rankings work each week.
It's cute that you think you are explaining something to anyone...
Posted on 2/13/18 at 5:43 pm to Jake_LaMotta
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As many people have pointed out to you this was not unique to Georgia.
The East was awful and that is putting it nicely.
You completely missed my point because you are not very smart.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 5:48 pm to Jake_LaMotta
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In year three Richt went 11-3 with yet another win over Alabama
WGAS?Bama sucked that year.
He lost to Ron Zook for Gods sake.
Team was loaded and got crushed by Saban in the SECCG and squeaked by a far less talented Purdue team in the bowl game.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 5:48 pm to ZeusStamos
Right now I would say he will be more like Miles . Hard to be like Saban with Saban still in the conference.
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