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McIlwain has to start... Right?
Posted on 9/15/16 at 11:12 am
Posted on 9/15/16 at 11:12 am
If Orth plays at all in this game (unless we go up big, which I don't see happening) my head will explode. I'm honestly not too happy about the Nunez to WR move right now, either...
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Posted on 9/15/16 at 11:15 am to NAGamec0ckFan
It should be BMac for sure.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 11:52 am to NAGamec0ckFan
The general consensus right now is he gets the start, yes. Nunez to Wr is probably something in his best interest long term, he is just taking longer to make the transition than we would like. He did travel to State last week which indicates that he has at least done enough in practice to prove that if needed he could play, just not enough yet to get in over the other WRs.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 12:40 pm to NAGamec0ckFan
Man you guys over react so much just because a McIIlwain had a couple decent garbage time drives. Perry is still the better QB, OL needs to give and the receivers and our running backs some time to make plays.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 12:43 pm to ReadR00ster
Yep let's start Orth who gives us no mobility with a shaky OLine. What a great season we will have. And then next year when he's gone we can find another walk on to replace him! Let's just get all of our QBs from Publix. frick recruiting.
What we need is more -3 QB draws and passes to the first rows on the sideline. frick potential and experience building in a freshman. Let's go with the senior former walk on that was clearly destined to play SEC football!
Maybe we can find a backup RB for Turner at Kroger?
What we need is more -3 QB draws and passes to the first rows on the sideline. frick potential and experience building in a freshman. Let's go with the senior former walk on that was clearly destined to play SEC football!
Maybe we can find a backup RB for Turner at Kroger?
Posted on 9/15/16 at 12:48 pm to ReadR00ster
How is everyone overreacting? McIlwain looked pretty good in the 2nd half and we moved the ball much better. And it wasn't garbage time, MSU certainly didn't pull their starters on D in the third quarter up by 3 scores. I'm not putting Orth down in any way, I'm glad he's on the team to give us an experienced option. Also, major kudos to Orth for supporting and helping teach McIlwain--he's a team player. But I think it's pretty clear that McIlwain gives us the better chance to move the ball down the field at this time, and realizing that isn't "overreacting".
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:04 pm to ReadR00ster
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Perry is still the better QB
Perry is the more experienced QB. That's it. I don't know how anyone could honestly look at the performances Orth has put in so far and want him to be the starter. Orth has had ample opportunities to distance himself from a true freshman, and he hasn't.
McIlwain is far more athletic and offers so much more in playmaking ability. He needs experience, and ECU is the perfect opportunity.
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OL needs to give and the receivers and our running backs some time to make plays.
Even when the receivers get the time they need, Orth overthrows them. If not, he'll scramble and run directly into a D-lineman.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:20 pm to Bluefin
Running into a D-lineman is better than Greyson Lambert's go-to move; after a 2 count, regardless of the state of the pocket, run around like a blind kid with cerebral palsy until you run into the back of one of your own linemen and then fall down.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 1:46 pm to CNB
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Let's just get all of our QBs from Publix. frick recruiting.
Hahahaha
This post was edited on 9/15/16 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 9/15/16 at 2:06 pm to crispyUGA
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Running into a D-lineman is better than Greyson Lambert's go-to move; after a 2 count, regardless of the state of the pocket, run around like a blind kid with cerebral palsy until you run into the back of one of your own linemen and then fall down.
Believe me, SC fans really wish we could make fun of Lambert.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 2:45 pm to NAGamec0ckFan
I think it needs to be McIlwain, b/c of what he can do with his legs. Our OL hasn't shown that they can dominate a SEC DL yet. They did ok vs vandy but then got lit up by msu. When McIlwain was in there, it changed how the DL played, they didnr't just try to collapse the pocket, they had to see what he was trying to do, they were afraid of him taking off or designed keepers.
Orth isn't THAT much better as a passer either. Their passing completion % is similar, PLUS, McIlwain has 2 TD's and 0 INT's, Orth has 0 TD's and 1 INT.
The coaches have been looking for a reason to keep Orth in there and to give time for McIlwain to get comfortable. It's time to transition. We must win 1 of the next 2 games, and really both of them if we want to get to a bowl game this year and have quantifiable progress from last season.
Orth isn't THAT much better as a passer either. Their passing completion % is similar, PLUS, McIlwain has 2 TD's and 0 INT's, Orth has 0 TD's and 1 INT.
The coaches have been looking for a reason to keep Orth in there and to give time for McIlwain to get comfortable. It's time to transition. We must win 1 of the next 2 games, and really both of them if we want to get to a bowl game this year and have quantifiable progress from last season.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:07 pm to ReadR00ster
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Man you guys over react so much just because a McIIlwain had a couple decent garbage time drives. Perry is still the better QB, OL needs to give and the receivers and our running backs some time to make plays.
What in the actual hell are you seeing that none of the rest of us are seeing? Orth seems like a nice guy...but he is NOT an SEC caliber qb and all of the wishing and hoping and even the best OL, WRs and RBs that ever existed will not make him one. Hell, he threw more often to phantom receivers that must have been moving at warp speed bc damn if I ever saw them even remotely in the vicinity of where he was throwing.
You said we are overreacting bc BMac "had a couple decent garbage time drives." Please, for the love of all things Gamecock, tell me you are joking. Or that you are really a tater and you're just trolling. Tell us anything other than you really believe that. The garbage that I saw was Perry Orth and 90% of what he did out there. Yeah, we have issues with our OL but that was the same OL that was out there when Brandon scored. And the same State players out there when Orth couldn't.
We'd be wise to use McIlwain in any case...he's going to need the playing time and experience that comes along with it to prepare for next year when we don't have a shelf stocker to infuriatingly insist on playing when he is obviously hindering us and not helping us.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 3:42 pm to CockHolliday
quote:It may have not been garbage time but MSU sure took their foot off the gas. That is a team that does that's against like of South Alabama and loses. McIlWain wasn't exactly lighting it up either. He made plays with his legs because that is really the only way to do it with an OL that doesn't block worth a damn. When the OL got its crap together for one half of Football in Vanderbilt game Orth looked fantastic. How quickly people forget that though. Can't wait until sunday when it's Bench McIlwain! Start Bentley! time. Seems like people never learn.
McIlwain has to start... Right?
How is everyone overreacting? McIlwain looked pretty good in the 2nd half and we moved the ball much better. And it wasn't garbage time, MSU certainly didn't pull their starters on D in the third quarter up by 3 scores. I'm not putting Orth down in any way, I'm glad he's on the team to give us an experienced option. Also, major kudos to Orth for supporting and helping teach McIlwain--he's a team player. But I think it's pretty clear that McIlwain gives us the better chance to move the ball down the field at this time, and realizing that isn't "overreacting".
Posted on 9/15/16 at 4:04 pm to ReadR00ster
As I said before, I don't think Orth is terrible and he provides valuable experience especially in the 2nd half of the Vandy game on the road, but McIlwain gives us the better chance to win IMO. The season is still young and time will tell so it's hard to say who's the better starting QB for our team at this time but McIlwain at least improved from his debut to last week.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 5:30 pm to ReadR00ster
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McIIlwain had a couple decent garbage time drives.
McIlwain's first td pass to Turner came with 0:05 3Q (12 plays 80 yds/5:22 top) and the Gamecock D had forced 3 MSU punts and given up 0 points 2H up to that point. I don't see how that's garbage time.
Knott's wild rocket-snap 15 yards past BMc on 1st&10 from the MS44 with 12+ minutes 3Q very likely cost USC points too.
Orth's experience was certainly a plus to begin the season with 2 road games. home game is a good opportunity to give McIlwain a start to see if the offense will take off in the 1H. until either one of these guys takes control and scores points, Muschamp/Roper are gonna keep rotating until it happens with someone at qb.
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Posted on 9/15/16 at 6:14 pm to ReadR00ster
If the Oline could block it wouldn't be a bad idea to start Orth this week. Unfortunately our line is a liability, and McIlwain's mobility means he is less likely to be a casualty.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 6:26 pm to GarnetStrand
If McIlwain is going to start, he better get some more touch on his passes. I don't know how many balls I saw him sail over receivers. He does give us a bit of a threat on the ground that Orth doesn't but he HAS to take some air out from under the ball.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 6:28 pm to GarnetStrand
quote:If we run McIlwain so much he'll likely get an ACL. I'd like to burn a few more games with Orth. This year is pretty much not that important anyway. I would do what we have been doing the first couple of games, start orth see how he does, if he struggles to put the kid in, if the kid struggles put orth back in.
If the Oline could block it wouldn't be a bad idea to start Orth this week. Unfortunately our line is a liability, and McIlwain's mobility means he is less likely to be a casualty.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 6:51 pm to ReadR00ster
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This year is pretty much not that important anyway
Couldn't disagree more. USC has to, and I mean has to fight for 6 wins. Muschamp can point to positive momentum in the field, can double last year's total, and make a shitty bowl game.
If we have another 3-win season, every other program he recruits against will have even more negative ammp against him due to the history of both him, and the school.
This team needs to win some football games. McIlwain likely helps accomplish that more than Orth right now.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 6:57 pm to ReadR00ster
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I'd like to burn a few more games with Orth.
If Orth made more throws like he did during the 2nd half against Vandy, got rid of the noodle arm, and could keep from getting killed every other play (hopefully this won't be as big a deal this week) there would be more upside to starting him. McIlwain has the potential for a bigger pay off especially if he gets his deep passes under control.
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