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re: The readers of the Tennessean say Johnny the greatest SEC player ever
Posted on 8/7/16 at 4:04 pm to Tiger1988
Posted on 8/7/16 at 4:04 pm to Tiger1988
This thread is a great example of "rant gonna rant", so there's no use even trying to have a rational discussion, but for those who suggest that manziel was some sort of bullshite artist who racked up all of his yards throwing jump balls to mike Evans, here are his NCAA awards and accomplishments:
Full-season awards
2012 Heisman Trophy winner (first freshman to win)[70]
2012 Davey O'Brien National Quarterback Award winner (first freshman to win)[71]
2012 Manning Award winner (first freshman to win)[5]
2012 First-team All-American by:
? Associated Press[72]
? Football Writers Association of America[73]
? Walter Camp Football Foundation[74]
? Sporting News[75]
? ESPN[76]
? CBS Sports[77]
? Scout.com[78]
? Sports Illustrated[79]
2012 Sporting News College Football Player of the Year[80]
2012 SEC Offensive Player of the Year[81]
2012 SEC Freshman of the Year[81]
2012 All-SEC First-Team Quarterback[81]
2013 Cotton Bowl Classic - Offensive MVP[82]
2012 ESPN.com All-Bowl Team[83]
2013 SEC Male Athlete of the Year[84]
2013 Chick-fil-A Bowl - Offensive MVP[85]
Weekly awards
2-time Walter Camp National Offensive Player of the Week[74]
3-time AT&T All-America Player of the Week[86]
4-time SEC Offensive Player of the Week[87]
9-time SEC Freshman of the Week[87]
NCAA records and notes
FBS freshman record: rushing yards by a quarterback, season (1,410)[5]
FBS freshman record: total offense, season (5,116)[5]
10th-most (at the time) single-season total offensive yards in NCAA FBS history[88]
Most games with 300 or more passing yards and 100+ rushing yards, career (4)[5]
FBS record: First freshman (and fifth player ever) in FBS history with 3,000 passing yards and 1,000 rushing yards, season[5]
FBS record: Rushing yards by a quarterback in a bowl game (229 yards)[5]
Only the fourth player to have 20 passing TDs and 20 rushing TDs, season[5]
Eclipsed the 7,000-yard barrier in total offense in his 19th career game, which is the fastest in NCAA FBS history by a four-year player[89]
Second freshman in FBS history to rush for 1,000 yards and pass for 2,000 yards[5]
First freshman to win the Heisman Trophy[5]
First freshman to win the Davey O'Brien National Quarterback Award[5]
First freshman to win the Manning Award[5]
SEC records and notes
Most yards total offense in a game (576, breaking Archie Manning's 1969 record of 540 yards)[90]
The first three places on the SEC total offense in a game
576 yards
562 yards against No. 1 Alabama
557 yards two weeks before the 576 yards
Most yards total offense, season (5,116, breaking Cam Newton's 2010 record in two fewer games)
2nd-most yards total offense, season (4,873)
Most yards total offense, game average (383.3, breaking Tim Couch's 1998 record, of 377.4 yards)
Highest yards per play average (50 plays minimum), game (10.71, against Arkansas on September 29, 2012, breaking Steve Tanneyhill's record of 10.0 yards)
First SEC quarterback to pass for 3,000 yards and rush for 1,000 yards in one season
Second-most passing yards in a SEC single season, 4,114 passing yards[88]
Tied for third-most passing touchdowns in an SEC single season, 37 touchdowns[88]
Tied for second most rushing touchdowns in a single season[88]
Tied for 8th most scoring in a single season[88]
8th most passing yards in a single season[88]
Full-season awards
2012 Heisman Trophy winner (first freshman to win)[70]
2012 Davey O'Brien National Quarterback Award winner (first freshman to win)[71]
2012 Manning Award winner (first freshman to win)[5]
2012 First-team All-American by:
? Associated Press[72]
? Football Writers Association of America[73]
? Walter Camp Football Foundation[74]
? Sporting News[75]
? ESPN[76]
? CBS Sports[77]
? Scout.com[78]
? Sports Illustrated[79]
2012 Sporting News College Football Player of the Year[80]
2012 SEC Offensive Player of the Year[81]
2012 SEC Freshman of the Year[81]
2012 All-SEC First-Team Quarterback[81]
2013 Cotton Bowl Classic - Offensive MVP[82]
2012 ESPN.com All-Bowl Team[83]
2013 SEC Male Athlete of the Year[84]
2013 Chick-fil-A Bowl - Offensive MVP[85]
Weekly awards
2-time Walter Camp National Offensive Player of the Week[74]
3-time AT&T All-America Player of the Week[86]
4-time SEC Offensive Player of the Week[87]
9-time SEC Freshman of the Week[87]
NCAA records and notes
FBS freshman record: rushing yards by a quarterback, season (1,410)[5]
FBS freshman record: total offense, season (5,116)[5]
10th-most (at the time) single-season total offensive yards in NCAA FBS history[88]
Most games with 300 or more passing yards and 100+ rushing yards, career (4)[5]
FBS record: First freshman (and fifth player ever) in FBS history with 3,000 passing yards and 1,000 rushing yards, season[5]
FBS record: Rushing yards by a quarterback in a bowl game (229 yards)[5]
Only the fourth player to have 20 passing TDs and 20 rushing TDs, season[5]
Eclipsed the 7,000-yard barrier in total offense in his 19th career game, which is the fastest in NCAA FBS history by a four-year player[89]
Second freshman in FBS history to rush for 1,000 yards and pass for 2,000 yards[5]
First freshman to win the Heisman Trophy[5]
First freshman to win the Davey O'Brien National Quarterback Award[5]
First freshman to win the Manning Award[5]
SEC records and notes
Most yards total offense in a game (576, breaking Archie Manning's 1969 record of 540 yards)[90]
The first three places on the SEC total offense in a game
576 yards
562 yards against No. 1 Alabama
557 yards two weeks before the 576 yards
Most yards total offense, season (5,116, breaking Cam Newton's 2010 record in two fewer games)
2nd-most yards total offense, season (4,873)
Most yards total offense, game average (383.3, breaking Tim Couch's 1998 record, of 377.4 yards)
Highest yards per play average (50 plays minimum), game (10.71, against Arkansas on September 29, 2012, breaking Steve Tanneyhill's record of 10.0 yards)
First SEC quarterback to pass for 3,000 yards and rush for 1,000 yards in one season
Second-most passing yards in a SEC single season, 4,114 passing yards[88]
Tied for third-most passing touchdowns in an SEC single season, 37 touchdowns[88]
Tied for second most rushing touchdowns in a single season[88]
Tied for 8th most scoring in a single season[88]
8th most passing yards in a single season[88]
This post was edited on 8/7/16 at 4:05 pm
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Posted on 8/7/16 at 4:50 pm to G2160
What I'm saying is eye test. Call all the gimmick offense you want, can't win in this league unless you can sit in the pocket and pass. Until you beat me, I'm holding you there. That's Chavis' philosophy against spread teams - small fast LBs.
Put a FRESHMAN db against Evans a first round pick and he stops him because he is long enough to make Manziel pass the ball. IDGAF what his stats were against anyone else. When Chavis figured it out after a quarter and a half the first game, he did zilch against LSU. Why? Because these QBs are flukes of a fluke system that when you hold them in the pocket, they show their true colors. In Manziels case, was zero ability to sit in the pocket and beat you. Exactly why he was drafted so late.
Why was Chavis so good against that fluke offense? Go watch the LSU defense from 2011 and what they did to Thomas from Oregon and Smith of WVU. Yeah Geno Smith, put up yards, but at the end of the day he threw interceptions and about 70 times that game. Not many points compared to LSU throttling their arse on National TV.
See TTU versus LSU last year for the reason and y'all former OC, getting run over.
Here is a reminder of what Manziel did.
LSU smacking JMs arse 2 years in a row.
Put a FRESHMAN db against Evans a first round pick and he stops him because he is long enough to make Manziel pass the ball. IDGAF what his stats were against anyone else. When Chavis figured it out after a quarter and a half the first game, he did zilch against LSU. Why? Because these QBs are flukes of a fluke system that when you hold them in the pocket, they show their true colors. In Manziels case, was zero ability to sit in the pocket and beat you. Exactly why he was drafted so late.
Why was Chavis so good against that fluke offense? Go watch the LSU defense from 2011 and what they did to Thomas from Oregon and Smith of WVU. Yeah Geno Smith, put up yards, but at the end of the day he threw interceptions and about 70 times that game. Not many points compared to LSU throttling their arse on National TV.
See TTU versus LSU last year for the reason and y'all former OC, getting run over.
Here is a reminder of what Manziel did.
LSU smacking JMs arse 2 years in a row.
This post was edited on 8/7/16 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 8/7/16 at 5:52 pm to G2160
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