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re: 2017 UGA Recruiting Thread (commits, offers, visits, etc.)

Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:05 pm to
Posted by Sandwich
Georgia
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Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:05 pm to
So if we whiff, and this class being as awesome as it is, do we throw out last minute offers or do we save from scholys for next year?
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:36 pm to
I think those days are over. I imagine we'll save them til next year for quality players.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/24/17 at 1:19 pm to
quote:

I think those days are over. I imagine we'll save them til next year for quality players.


I think this is probably the case. Exception might be for a Herrien type guy who wasn't likely to qualify but makes some magic happen late. At DT, they obviously threw out the later offer here to the Ole Miss commit. So late offers may still happen, but likely only for positions of greater "need". Depth at DT is likely a concern in 18/19 if we don't get at least one solid contributor this season, particularly assuming Trent bolts to the NFL after next season.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 1/24/17 at 1:21 pm to
quote:

I think those days are over. I imagine we'll save them til next year for quality players.


While I think you are right....wasn't one of the criticisms of Richt was that he undersigned?

I have a feeling Kirby knows where we stand, and is working on some good quality players to step in if we do whiff on a couple of players. I am surprised at the angst of some of the posters, though. We have a great class any way you slice it.
Posted by Bleudawg
Middle Ga.
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 1/24/17 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

While I think you are right....wasn't one of the criticisms of Richt was that he undersigned?

I have a feeling Kirby knows where we stand, and is working on some good quality players to step in if we do whiff on a couple of players. I am surprised at the angst of some of the posters, though. We have a great class any way you slice it.



its the rant way...
Posted by GeorgiaBoy
Member since Sep 2013
1982 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:14 pm to
Dooley's grandson

This kid is coming in as a preferred walk on. He might help us out in the receiving dept. Michael Bennett type possession guy.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64180 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:19 pm to
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possession guy.


Tall, white, good hands, takes a lick over the middle and holds on. But never has YAC. Like a tight end, but not big enough to block linebackers.
Posted by GeorgiaBoy
Member since Sep 2013
1982 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:22 pm to
Near the end of his highlights it looks like he's not shy about blocking. Maybe a college strength and conditioning program can add 10-15 pounds and he will be a fierce blocker.

How big was Bennett?
Posted by Sandwich
Georgia
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Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:06 pm to


Not sure about the CB picker, but hey its something
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:10 pm to
quote:

wasn't one of the criticisms of Richt was that he undersigned

The 27 signee target that many have thrown out is dependent on more attrition as far as I'm aware. Last I looked, I think 23-24 is the most we could take without additional guys transferring. Have had a somewhat difficult time trying to confirm though with my original spreadsheet who has/hasn't transferred + who's actually on scholarship.

Ultimately, the "undersigning" criticism of Richt (warranted or not) was directly a result of leaving us ~20 scholarship players short of 85, and obviously most of that was prior to the more rigid 25 initial counters per year limit. Kirby seems to have a pretty good grasp on the teams numbers, the minds of the recruits, and what he wants, so I think it's fair to give him the benefit of the doubt here. He was also vocal about where he felt like he missed last year, and has clearly addressed it, so I think he's likely to criticize himself and the class if we miss on all DT prospects - and ultimately would be taking that as a big focal point for next year's class. If there is a position we can afford to miss this year, it would be DL given the haul we got in 16.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:22 pm to
Rod will get a ship if we have a leftover.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58925 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:29 pm to
quote:

The 27 signee target that many have thrown out is dependent on more attrition as far as I'm aware. Last I looked, I think 23-24 is the most we could take without additional guys transferring. Have had a somewhat difficult time trying to confirm though with my original spreadsheet who has/hasn't transferred + who's actually on scholarship.


I really hate to bring this up....but there was an argument (No, I wasn't in it ) about how many players are allowed to be on scholarship at any given time. I THINK it was left that you could not have more than 85 on scholarship at any time. If somebody definitely knows the answer it could clear some things up.

Either way, I am beginning to wonder if some guys that Kirby thought would leave are not leaving, therefore we don't have the scholarship to give? I don't know. Just following the thread.
Posted by DawgsLife
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58925 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:30 pm to
Would make sense.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
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Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:38 pm to
Yep. 85 is the max. That's what I was referencing in my post... there is a chance that guys we thought were going to leave and/or were encouraging to look elsewhere might be indicating they aren't going to, which would leave us in a tough spot. Obviously, only Kirby and the staff would know, but it's not like we're grossly undersigning this class even at 23.

Basically, there are 2 limits that matter here:
85 total scholarship players at any one time.
25 *Initial Counters* per recruiting year. This part is a little more ambiguous, due to "back counting" of Early Enrollees. Because the staff holds the cards here on who counts toward what class, it can sometimes be harder to determine this. If I had to take a wild stab, we may only have 2-3 signees (we've only got 6 EEs anyways) out of our 2017 class that is able to back count to 2016. This would be where the 27 target would come from that multiple recruiting analysts seem to think is UGA's cap.

Assuming the number is 3, and we didn't add *any* more members to this year's class, then the 23 signees are reduced to 20 initial counters for the 2017 class, leaving us room for 5 EEs to count back to this year's cap in the 18 class (probably a little more attrition next year as well between graduation and possible early departures).
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 5:26 pm
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9442 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:54 pm to
ETA the Exact Rule:

15.5.6.1 Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS]
There shall be an annual limit of 25 on the number of initial counters (per Bylaw 15.02.3.1) and an annual limit of 85 on the total number of counters (including initial counters) in football at each institution. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92, 12/15/06)

Here is the rule regarding back counting:

15.5.6.3.2 Recruited Student-Athlete Entering after Fall Term, Aided in First Year. [FBS/FCS]
A student-athlete recruited by the awarding institution who enters after the first term of the academic year and immediately receives institutional financial aid (based in any degree on athletics ability) shall be an initial counter for either the current academic year (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached) or the next academic year. The student-athlete shall be included in the institution’s total counter limit during the academic year in which the aid was first received
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 4:06 pm
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25753 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 8:46 pm to
I haven't had a chance to count scholarships. I will probably look at Bama's roster first. I think they had a ton of EEs.

I still have a hunch that 85 annual scholarships is different than 85 daily scholarships.
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9442 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 9:46 pm to
Dude how are you still arguing this. Read the rules above. There are two enrollment periods. Summer and winter. The only way you can EE and receive a scholarship in either scenario is if you are under 85. It's spelled out right there in the bylaws.

quote:

shall be an initial counter for either the current academic year (if the institution’s annual limit has not been reached)
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 9:49 pm
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
60553 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 10:07 pm to
Ugh. Are we back to this again? Can I just cycle through so we can get back to real recruiting talk?

CMR undersigned like a mofo.
Jesus went to Stanford.
Sometimes 85 isn't 85.
Milk does a body good.

There.

Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
60553 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:11 am to
Since we don't have a 2018 thread yet, guess I'll put this here.

Dawgs offer 6'9" 390 lbs Aussie OL from IMG
Posted by crispyUGA
Upstate SC
Member since Feb 2011
15919 posts
Posted on 1/25/17 at 7:23 am to
Jesus Christ. That's a big 'ol boy.
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