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re: The #1 reason the SEC is currently so strong
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:53 am to Monticello
Posted on 7/24/15 at 9:53 am to Monticello
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Slive did what he said he would do: clean up the SEC and get every team off NCAA sanctions.
He must have taught teams how to cheat better, especially Ole Miss and Auburn
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:00 am to Rant4days
Dont disagree entirely but there are large blocks of the fans bases that have absolutely no connection to the school at all (and never will by the looks of them)
other than being raised in the same state.
Its not easy to get accepted to either UGA or UF but both schools still have big followings outside of the
student and family fan bases.
other than being raised in the same state.
Its not easy to get accepted to either UGA or UF but both schools still have big followings outside of the
student and family fan bases.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:14 am to Monticello
The answer to your question is not Silve. Its the coaches and the salaries that they demand and want to keep. You can give that dude some of the credit for marketing but for what goes on on the field and in sanctions stops with the head coach at that particular school. Silve wouldve had to be incompetent to screw up the SEC in the last 10-12 years because of the coaches and talent that was on the field.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:38 am to Monticello
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The #1 reason the SEC is currently so strong
Demographics. The southern states have a lot more athletes to choose from than they did in 1990.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:59 am to cokebottleag
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Demographics. The southern states have a lot more athletes to choose from than they did in 1990.
I see your point, but I disagree. The SEC has always had the most and best athletes to choose from since integration, but what has changed is we have cleaned up our acts for the most part and made it where all of our schools have a chance to succeed instead of being constantly crippled with sanctions. Once it gets to a point where most schools are not blatantly cheating, the others don't have to cheat just to keep up. Slive implemented a major culture change. We hired strong willed coaches who put the boosters in their place for the most part.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 11:58 am to jatebe
Right but didn't y'all lose scholarships?
Posted on 7/24/15 at 11:59 am to auzach91
Population growth and demographics
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:02 pm to redeye
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What teams from other conferences have received bowl bans and scholarship reductions in recent years?
USC, tOSU, Penn State and Miami, though Miami's was self-imposed. That's a pretty decent lineup of marquee conference programs across the Pac-12, ACC and Big Ten.
I think the last SEC team to have a bowl ban was USCe, but that was self-imposed after the brawl with Clemson in Holtz's last game.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:11 pm to Monticello
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I see your point, but I disagree. The SEC has always had the most and best athletes to choose from since integration, but what has changed is we have cleaned up our acts for the most part and made it where all of our schools have a chance to succeed instead of being constantly crippled with sanctions. Once it gets to a point where most schools are not blatantly cheating, the others don't have to cheat just to keep up. Slive implemented a major culture change. We hired strong willed coaches who put the boosters in their place for the most part.
Not a bad argument.
I personally think CBS and the change in the televising of college football really helped more than anything. Back in the day only the big programs, which due to first mover advantage was Yankee programs plus Bama/Tenn, got on TV. Now every SEC team does, there is no exposure advantage for playing in the NFL or having your family watch your games at a Michigan.
I think the CBS game has really mattered for that exposure. As all the other major conferences fought for a few spots on ABC or ESPN, SEC fans could tune to CBS and know they were catching a SEC game. CBS doesn't pay what ESPN would for that property but the SEC obviously made a decision that the CBS exposure was worth more than ESPN money. When you look at the top rated games every year you see that was a great decision, the SEC made less at first but then got it back monetizing that improved brand through the SEC Network.
The problem IMHO with saying that a "cleaning up the league" is what did it is we don't know how much the lack of sanctions is due to this cleanup and how much of it is due to the fact that the NCAA lacks teeth in the modern era. They really shot their wad killing SMU, and ever since then they have second guessed themselves when punishing program since then. The rules of the game are different now than in the mid-00s, Miami pretty much undid their enforcement apparatus.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:16 pm to nicholastiger
yea I don't see how one of the sippii schools will avoid some penalty box time but then again the NCAA was afraid of tOSU-tressel and gave tPeenSt a slap on the wrist for harboring actual child rapists.. so...
Posted on 7/24/15 at 12:20 pm to Monticello
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The SEC has always had the most and best athletes to choose from since integration,
Not sure I can really agree on that...Pennsylavania used to be a huge source of HS talent back in the 60's,70's and 80's...while their population didn't decline the amount of D1 prospects produced went down dramatically...I think it's around to 40 to 50 a year. Virgina and New Jersey both produced more.
Even a states like Illinois and Michigan produced talent 30 and 40 years ago but almost nothing today.
Big 10 Schools can only sign so many players from Ohio...the well is slowly drying up there.
Seems to be a big cultural shift away from HS FB in many Northern States.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 1:58 pm to RD Dawg
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a big cultural shift away from HS FB in many Northern States.
yea you'll overthrow a football on the beach in California and some bowed up dude'll pick it up and then throw it back to you like a girl. it doesn't have much to do with what OP said, it's the demographics and the culture.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 2:01 pm to madddoggydawg
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HS FB in many Northern States
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California
Makes no sense.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 2:02 pm to Jagd Tiger
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gave tPeenSt a slap on the wrist for harboring actual child rapists.. so...
Is this a joke? They tried their best to destroy the program until it came out there were so many flaws within the NCAA investigative process they had to undo it or be sued out of existence
Posted on 7/24/15 at 2:15 pm to Jagd Tiger
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yea I don't see how one of the sippii schools will avoid some penalty box time but then again the NCAA was afraid of tOSU-tressel
We lost an entire season of W's and a shot at the BCS NCG due to players trading gold pants for tattoos. You we're saying?
Posted on 7/24/15 at 2:25 pm to Monticello
Another words, Slive said we are done turning over evidence to the NCAA. We will clear all teams starting with Alabama.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 2:31 pm to PAGator
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They tried their best to destroy the program until it came out there were so many flaws within the NCAA investigative process
is that a joke? fukking child rapists being actively covered up on a College Campus, it's not even the least bit fukking funny that some of you clowns think this is "nobody's business".
Posted on 7/24/15 at 2:31 pm to PAGator
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Is this a joke? They tried their best to destroy the program until it came out there were so many flaws within the NCAA investigative process they had to undo it or be sued out of existence
The problem is that keeps happening. Miami should have been nailed to the wall but again the NCAA cheated themselves in the investigation.
After a while it makes the NCAA look incompetent and powerless.
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 7/24/15 at 2:36 pm to Jagd Tiger
All 3 people involved (Sandusky, Curley, Shultz) have been, or are going to be, tried in criminal court. Also, no one seems to understand that the cover-up wasn't because people tried to protect the image of Penn State Athletics, it was covered up because those 3 were tight with each other. Believe me, I've read far more about it than you have. You've probably only heard what ESPN wanted you to hear back in 2011.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 2:40 pm to PAGator
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They tried their best to destroy the program until it came out there were so many flaws within the NCAA investigative process they had to undo it or be sued out of existence
Bull shite. The program put the NCAA in the position where they had to do that. The bad thing about the whole deal is that the NCAA agreed to shorten the punishment. That program should have burned to the ground for the things they covered up
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