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Posted on 5/27/15 at 4:59 pm to the808bass
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More cute disingenuous shite from Roger.
My post may very well have been shite, but it was completely genuine.
Note that I have never once on this site said that I believed religious belief to be a barometer of intelligence. I believe that one's level of education correlates well with religious belief (or lack thereof) and there is substantial data that backs up that belief, but there are lots of educated idiots. I would say the percentage of nonbelievers who have truly thought deeply about what they believe is probably similar to that of religious people. Lots of people on both sides believe what they believe for bad reasons.
Posted on 5/27/15 at 5:26 pm to Roger Klarvin
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My post may very well have been shite, but it was completely genuine.
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If Jews were so smart, they'd accept Jesus.
Posted on 5/27/15 at 5:42 pm to the808bass
In the context of his argument, it's absolutely relevant. The entire premise is that if atheists would just open up their minds, they would see the truth. He then holds up the jews, a group he obviously believes do NOT possess the truth, as an example of superior thinking ability of the religious.
If what he believes is the truth, then the jews are just as lost as everyone else. They need to open up their minds as well.
If what he believes is the truth, then the jews are just as lost as everyone else. They need to open up their minds as well.
Posted on 5/27/15 at 5:45 pm to Legendary0903
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God controls everything
God controls molestation, rape, murder, etc.?
He could stop it but he doesn't want to because original sin..well except for that time when he killed some folks in the Old Testament. That was a low point for him. He wrote some poetry and mellowed out in the New Testament and hasn't been seen since then
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Posted on 5/27/15 at 5:48 pm to sawmillsam
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That was a low point for him. He wrote some poetry and mellowed out in the New Testament and hasn't been seen since then
He found Jesus and now he's a new man.
See bass, THAT is what disingenuous shite looks like.
Posted on 5/27/15 at 6:34 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 5/27/15 at 7:05 pm to Stonehog
The biggest issue between atheists/agnostics and the big 3 (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) IMO is the young earth/creation issue. Most hardline big 3 believers just refuse to accept the idea that the "creation" took any longer than 6 24-hour days. Despite that their Holy books stating many times that God isn't under the constraints of time, they refuse the idea that this earth, galaxy, and universe could be billions of years old because in their mind it makes God's creation less significant.
I'm a Christian and have seen enough of this planet (caves, islands, canyons, etc) to know that this planet is an old one (unless it was created in it's present state.... don't give me that flood nonsense because it didn't create the Grand Canyon). It doesn't matter to me what process got us to this point and no matter how long it took. This world/universe we live in is pretty awesome.
And the weather issue..... I lean toward the idea that God set this world up with physical laws and it's on cruise control. The earth has heated and cooled thousands of times (most of them before humans and combustion engines for you human made global warming cult followers) and the weather is directly related to that calling/warming cycle.
I'm a Christian and have seen enough of this planet (caves, islands, canyons, etc) to know that this planet is an old one (unless it was created in it's present state.... don't give me that flood nonsense because it didn't create the Grand Canyon). It doesn't matter to me what process got us to this point and no matter how long it took. This world/universe we live in is pretty awesome.
And the weather issue..... I lean toward the idea that God set this world up with physical laws and it's on cruise control. The earth has heated and cooled thousands of times (most of them before humans and combustion engines for you human made global warming cult followers) and the weather is directly related to that calling/warming cycle.
Posted on 5/27/15 at 7:44 pm to TideJoe
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The biggest issue between atheists/agnostics and the big 3 (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) IMO is the young earth/creation issue.
Not really, the literal 6 day creationists are more the exception than the rule in 2015. Denial of evolution is still pretty widespread, but that's not even remotely the biggest issue.
The biggest issue, for me at least, is the gap between what one would expect to see if any of those religions were true and what we actually observe in reality. This encompasses all aspects of the world around us, from science to history to morality to the way the human species operates on a day to day basis.
Posted on 5/27/15 at 8:14 pm to Roger Klarvin
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He then holds up the jews, a group he obviously believes do NOT possess the truth, as an example of superior thinking ability of the religious.
You find it impossible to admit you're simply wrong.
Posted on 5/27/15 at 9:16 pm to the808bass
43% of atheists have a college degree, compared to 25% of Christians.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 7:02 am to the808bass
I really have no idea what you think Im wrong about. He made a poor, self-defeating argument. It's pretty straightforward.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 7:51 am to Roger Klarvin
You're wrong, again. Before commenting at least read back and see the context. The research (or blog about said research) that was linked showed that affluent atheists demonstrated a 3-4 point higher IQ than the average religious person. The author of the pro atheist paper (linked by atheist in this thread) stated however that the overall results were subject to debate due to social deficiencies of the affluent atheists and economic deficiencies of the religious sampling.
The Jewish sampling demonstrated that a affluent group without social deficiencies that was religious had a much higher IQ difference vs affluent atheists, than affluent atheist samplings vs the average religious person.
You are arguing with the atheist author of the research quoted in this thread by an atheist. Not me
The Jewish sampling demonstrated that a affluent group without social deficiencies that was religious had a much higher IQ difference vs affluent atheists, than affluent atheist samplings vs the average religious person.
You are arguing with the atheist author of the research quoted in this thread by an atheist. Not me
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Posted on 5/28/15 at 8:14 am to Stonehog
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43% of atheists have a college degree, compared to 25% of Christians.
A few thoughts. 1). You're a typical idiot who feels that if you associate yourself with smart people maybe no one notices how dumb you are. But your association with atheism or whatever label you want to throw on it makes you no dumber or smarter than you are otherwise. 2). This is true across society. The adherence to a belief system doesn't provide us with any sort of reliable predictor as to a person's intelligence or lack thereof. 3). As the demographics of college attendees has changed, so has their religiosity.
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But that doesn't explain Schwadel's most surprising finding: For people born during the 1970s, not going to college makes you more likely to say that you're not religious.
The reason for this may be that atheism, agnosticism, and general religious indifference has become more normal across social classes, Schwadel said. "For those people who were born earlier than the 1900s, it might have been something that wasn’t acceptable among a lot of Americans, except those who were among the upper classes—those select few who were going to college and graduating in the 1910s, ‘20s, and ‘30s. But as college education has grown, having no religious affiliation has become less ostracizing."
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Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:50 am to the808bass
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You're a typical idiot who feels that if you associate yourself with smart people maybe no one notices how dumb you are.
Just posting facts, no need to get so hostile. If you don't like the data, take it up with Pew.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 10:55 am to Stonehog
Sure. Except you have a posting history. So I feel pretty confident in my diagnosis.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:02 am to the808bass
Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm dumb. That's a little prideful on your part. Please repent for your sin immediately.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:04 am to Stonehog
There's plenty of smart people who disagree with me on any number of issues. You aren't among them.
Posted on 5/28/15 at 11:11 am to the808bass
Like you even know me. 
Posted on 5/28/15 at 12:26 pm to the808bass
I agree raw intelligence doesn't say a lot about what a person's religious beliefs are. However, highly intelligent (and even more so well educated) religious people often have very different interpretations than their less intelligent brethren.
Compare the Christian beliefs of someone like Francis Collins with say, Kent Hovind or Ray Comfort. One is clearly brilliant and incorporates their belief into the world around them, while the other two are blinded by ignorance and incorporate the world into what they believe the Bible teaches.
I would say that typically, fundamentalists/literalists/YEC/etc are less intelligent than the more open members of the faith. Some beliefs just cause too much cognitive dissonance in the minds of intelligent educated people to be believed.
Compare the Christian beliefs of someone like Francis Collins with say, Kent Hovind or Ray Comfort. One is clearly brilliant and incorporates their belief into the world around them, while the other two are blinded by ignorance and incorporate the world into what they believe the Bible teaches.
I would say that typically, fundamentalists/literalists/YEC/etc are less intelligent than the more open members of the faith. Some beliefs just cause too much cognitive dissonance in the minds of intelligent educated people to be believed.
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