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re: Finebaum took up the "Auburn to the East" thing again today.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:17 pm to bona fide
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:17 pm to bona fide
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bona fide
Very intriguing. That involves a point that I don't think anyone here has even thought about...not playing everyone in your division annually.
It's crazy, and unorthodox, and I'm not usually one for change....but damn that seems like it would be pretty good all around. Very interesting.
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Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:19 pm to piggidyphish
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Is that conceited...probably so, is it true...also probably so.
I don't think it's conceited though. Is it conceited for the CEO of a billion dollar company to acknowledge that he should have more privileges than the secretary at the front desk?
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:19 pm to WG_Dawg
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I don't know why you continue to ignore the fact that you can't have friggin FIVE of the big 6 in the same division.
I'm not ignoring it. I just don't think that's as important as you do. To me, FAIRNESS trumps tradition.
This post was edited on 5/1/15 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:20 pm to piggidyphish
my point is that it is not as important to others as it is to you.
a game that doesn't count in SEC standings is unacceptable not because the game would mean any less to you, but it must mean something more to everyone else.
a game that doesn't count in SEC standings is unacceptable not because the game would mean any less to you, but it must mean something more to everyone else.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:24 pm to lefty08
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As a fan of a school who left a conference after decades playing the same teams I understand what rivalries are all about. Tradition is important.
Your original conference disbanded
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Other teams left traditions
Yeah...they left. They GTFO.
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to be a part of this conference.
Exactly. They came HERE. This conference isn't disbanding. It isn't going anywhere. 4 teams in the last 2 decades have left where they were to come be a part of what we have going. It's not the SEC's job to make sure everyone is perfectly content. The SEC has major, historical rivalries that have been played since the Grover Cleveland administration. Those shouldn't be tossed aside because some other people wanted to come join us.
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As far as the big 6 talk goes, the swap of Mizz and AU wouldn't hurt the balance of the conference at all
You're thinking far too micro. Sure both teams now are above average to really good. Do you not realize based on the last 15, 20, 30, 50 years that one of those teams is far, FAAAAR more likely to be successful than the other?
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have you ever stopped to think that the way the divisions were set originally had an influence on who became the big 6?
Yeah, obviously. They took the 6 best teams in the league based on 60 years of data and split them up 3 and 3.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:25 pm to Lonnie Utah
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To me, FAIRNESS trumps tradition.
what you aren't wrapping your head around is that FAIRNESS in your situation involves who is good and who isn't RIGHT NOW AT THIS MINUTE. We have an ample enough sample size to know what we should typically expect from a program. Do you truly, honestly believe that 5, 10, 20 years from now that Missouri will be head and shoulders better of a football program than Florida and Tennessee? Do you realize that Missouri is riding the wave of one of, if not the, best eras in school history while UF and UT are both (at the same time mind you) in the midst of some of their worst stretches in school history?
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:26 pm to WG_Dawg
no, fairness is in the formula, not the present status of competition
This post was edited on 5/1/15 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:26 pm to Lonnie Utah
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To me, FAIRNESS trumps tradition.
5 of big6 in one division is anything but fair.
All these silly solutions are posted all the time, all of them have multiple problems. I posted the absolute answer on the last page. Debate for a better solution is futile.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:27 pm to SFVtiger
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a game that doesn't count in SEC standings
Obviously it is nice playing these rivalry games, but a big part of what makes them such classics is what's at stake. I cannot begin to count the number of times that Auburn and Georgia have knocked the other one out of contention for an SEC title in late November. That's a big part of it. If they were simply playing OOC, it would lose some luster.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:28 pm to WG_Dawg
You realize the SWC didn't disband UNTIL Arkansas left right?
The divisions were done geographically genius, geographic reasons that played a huge part in their successes over those 60 years.
I'm only 36 years old, so unless you are 75 or so, what happened before 1970 is pretty irrelevant. The game has evolved as has its traditions and rivalries
The divisions were done geographically genius, geographic reasons that played a huge part in their successes over those 60 years.
I'm only 36 years old, so unless you are 75 or so, what happened before 1970 is pretty irrelevant. The game has evolved as has its traditions and rivalries
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:28 pm to SFVtiger
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no, fairness is in the formula, not the present status of competition
what is the formula?
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:31 pm to WG_Dawg
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what you aren't wrapping your head around is that FAIRNESS in your situation involves who is good and who isn't RIGHT NOW AT THIS MINUTE. We have an ample enough sample size to know what we should typically expect from a program. Do you truly, honestly believe that 5, 10, 20 years from now that Missouri will be head and shoulders better of a football program than Florida and Tennessee? Do you realize that Missouri is riding the wave of one of, if not the, best eras in school history while UF and UT are both (at the same time mind you) in the midst of some of their worst stretches in school history?
Yeah, Mike Slive, oops, I mean God forbid that any other teams other than the big 6 have any chance as winning a SEC championship....
Edit: The point I keep trying to make is that by seeing ALL the teams in the other division every two years evens out the strength of the individual teams in those divisions much more so than playing them once every 7 years.
This post was edited on 5/1/15 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:31 pm to bama my heart
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You might want to read(you are old enough to read..right) some other posts after mine. I am not the only one that has the same opinion of why Auburn wants to move to the East.
First of all, you're all stupid.
Second, the MAIN reason Auburn wants to move to the East is because almost ALL of our traditional rivals are in the East.
The CORRECT divisions should be:
East
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Tennessee
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
South Carolina
West
Alabama
Arkansas
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
LSU
Missouri
Texas A&M
Alabama(West) is our main rival. After that, its Georgia(East), Florida(East, who we've only played 3 times since 2002) and Tennessee(East).
LSU has developed into a rival but they're not a traditional rival. Arkansas wants to be us so they're trying hard. MSU and Ole Miss are rivals with the other West teams but not us. And A&M is new...and in Texas.
The expansion left us hanging in the middle, but in fairness 3 of our 4 traditional rivals reside in the East.
This post was edited on 5/1/15 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:32 pm to lefty08
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have you ever stopped to think that the way the divisions were set originally had an influence on who became the big 6? Imagine for a minute if the divisions were originally set differently, where the powers might have been different.
The big6 was established long before divisions were formed.
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I know in the grand scheme of the conference divisions are relatively new, but the "powers" certainly wouldn't be the same today as they are with an original tweak or 2.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:33 pm to lefty08
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You realize the SWC didn't disband UNTIL Arkansas left right?
Yep, several years after. It was obviously on shaky ground though since people were looking for a way out. Do you see anyone trying to get out of the SEC?
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what happened before 1970 is pretty irrelevant.
How many SEC titles have vandy/uk/sc/om/msu/ark won since 1970? How many national titles?
The big 6 is the big 6 for a reason, and it's because they by a staggering margin have more success than everyone else in the league.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:33 pm to WG_Dawg
I understand that, I really do. it would take some luster off. I don't deny that. but I think the rivalry takes most of the impact out of that.
it's a matter of whose ox is getting gored, I guess. and I promise you this has nothing to do w/ playing Fla every year. I'm old enough to have seen and remember seeing Billy Cannon play in TS. I love SEC football, and all its traditions, but the scheduling straining (and therefore the preference) given a few teams just drives me nuts. perhaps the unwillingness of their fanbases to admit that.
it's a matter of whose ox is getting gored, I guess. and I promise you this has nothing to do w/ playing Fla every year. I'm old enough to have seen and remember seeing Billy Cannon play in TS. I love SEC football, and all its traditions, but the scheduling straining (and therefore the preference) given a few teams just drives me nuts. perhaps the unwillingness of their fanbases to admit that.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:34 pm to Lonnie Utah
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God forbid that any other teams other than the big 6 have any chance as winning a SEC championship....
Every non-big 6 team has an equal chance to start the year as every big 6 team. What exactly has stopped them from winning one? Oh, right...their programs aren't as good.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:35 pm to thirdlawson
If Arkansas truly wanted to be Auburn we wouldn't be signing kids who don't get in trouble, actually go to class, and don't embarrass the school
In fact, Arkansas wants to be nothing like Auburn. That includes your inability for back to back 10 win seasons and your equal amount of 5 loss seasons the last decade
In fact, Arkansas wants to be nothing like Auburn. That includes your inability for back to back 10 win seasons and your equal amount of 5 loss seasons the last decade
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:36 pm to WG_Dawg
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Every non-big 6 team has an equal chance to start the year as every big 6 team.
Tell it to Tennessee who has to play Alabama every year as a cross division rival. In other words, it's NOT equal.
Posted on 5/1/15 at 1:36 pm to WG_Dawg
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WG_Dawg
You have put up the good fight and good on you for it! Nobody ever changes someone's mind on the internet. Let the noobs vent.
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