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re: Special teams not so special
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:50 am to bigdawg7780
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:50 am to bigdawg7780
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So let me get this straight you're mad teams start a yard behind the touchback line..and want to give them that free yard more instead.
Who exactly is mad, other than you? Giving them the ball to return is never desired. Yes, I'd rather give them a touchback on the 25 every time than give them the ball on the 4 to return when we allow 20 yards on average.
I'm actually a pretty big homer when it comes to UGA football. There are people here who are saying Morgan is a good kicker who is intentionally placing kickoffs between the goal line and the 10...and I'm telling you that fundamentally that's incorrect. I'll remind you, these are kickoffs, not punts. There is no pinning strategy for kickoffs.
The ideal result of every kickoff for the kicking team is a touchback. This means kicking it into or through the end zone. Morgan is unable to do this consistently, so yeah, he might be trying to float them to the 5 as an alternative. It's still not ideal. Some here say otherwise. Morgan himself will tell you he'd rather kick it to the end zone if he could (which I proved with a link earlier).
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:52 am to UGAalum08
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There is no pinning strategy for kickoffs.
I don't know if UGA is using it or not, but there most definitely is a strategy for pinning kickoffs.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:56 am to Crowknowsbest
There most certainly is a pinning strategy on hang time kick offs since the change from the 20 to the 25 on touch backs.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 9:58 am to Peter Buck
Posted on 12/9/14 at 10:03 am to UGAalum08
That just says that Auburn got more and he feels like he can do it better. It does not say that we have a strategy against some teams or in certain wind conditions where we feel a high kick gives us a better chance of keeping them at or behind the 25 with a greater chance of a fumble than a long KO return.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 10:05 am to UGAalum08
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And you think that's our goal
How long have you been watching Georgia football under Richt? We've been directional kicking since he got here, and we've had plenty of kickers who could kick the shite out of the ball. Directional kicking is a strategy, just like Tech kicking the ball to Quayvon was a strategy. And kicking it short clearly works because we are putting our opponents in worse field position than if we'd been booting it out of the endzone.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 10:07 am to Peter Buck
Agreed on circumstances. "No" strategy for pinning kickoffs and touchback "always" being the desired result are probably both extreme.
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There are circumstances where a shorter, high kick would be more appropriate like when you're up 3 points with 18 seconds to go
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In all honesty, I support the squib. I also do NOT want to start a debate on it.
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There are circumstances where a shorter, high kick would be more appropriate like when you're up 3 points with 18 seconds to go
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In all honesty, I support the squib. I also do NOT want to start a debate on it.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 11:28 am to gatorhata9
quote:you're correct
I'm going to assume you weren't replying to me.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:20 pm to UGAalum08
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And you think that's our goal, even though our kicker says otherwise?
Where in the article does it say it is his choice. If anything, you supported our argument, that we COULD kick it out the back, but Richt choses NOT to kick it out. Watch a reply...we don't kick it down the middle. We kick it HIGH and towards the sideline....
Richt has always done the high kick to the 5 yard line and aims for the numbers.
If you can't see that and just looking for another thing to shite on, I am done with you.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:39 pm to IT_Dawg
Mark Richt:
LINK /
Yes, I realize he doesn't always do it. Yes, I realize not all situations call for it. All I'm trying get to say is that the vast majority of the time, a touchback is ideal. It's usually not on the table with Morgan because he doesn't have the leg.
But you probably don't care about what me, Morgan, or Richt have to say about it.
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Personally, if I knew we could knock it out of the end zone on any given attempt, that's what I would love to see happen.
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Yes, I realize he doesn't always do it. Yes, I realize not all situations call for it. All I'm trying get to say is that the vast majority of the time, a touchback is ideal. It's usually not on the table with Morgan because he doesn't have the leg.
But you probably don't care about what me, Morgan, or Richt have to say about it.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:53 pm to IT_Dawg
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Where in the article does it say it is his choice.
I never said it was his choice. I said he's not capable. He agrees. Richt agrees (previous post).
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The one area Morgan seeks dramatic improvement in this season is on his kickoffs. Georgia had only 21 touchbacks a year ago — less than third of what SEC leader Auburn had (69) — and the Bulldogs were 13th in the league in kickoff coverage (38.8-yard net from point of kickoff.)
Morgan told reporters this past week he has adjusted his angle and steps on kickoffs for this season and he expects significant improvement as a result.
“I can consistently get them in the back now,” he said.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:06 pm to UGAalum08
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I said he's not capable.
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“I can consistently get them in the back now,” he said.
Hrmmmm, so what part of your link do you believe in? Do you believe he was lying? Do you believe he forgot how to do it? Or does he just not feel like putting in the effort every kickoff?
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:11 pm to IT_Dawg
Did anybody return a kickoff past our 50 this year? Can't remember one.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:11 pm to IT_Dawg
1) If you know anything about football, you know that a touchback is usually preferred
2) Mark Richt agrees with #1 (referenced above)
3) Morgan admitted at the beginning of the season we're lacking on touchbacks and he's working on it
Now, as the regular season is over, we are 67th in touchbacks and 68th in distance. Being that Morgan and Richt have publicly stated they want touchbacks and we're not doing it, the logical conclusion is we can't.
2) Mark Richt agrees with #1 (referenced above)
3) Morgan admitted at the beginning of the season we're lacking on touchbacks and he's working on it
Now, as the regular season is over, we are 67th in touchbacks and 68th in distance. Being that Morgan and Richt have publicly stated they want touchbacks and we're not doing it, the logical conclusion is we can't.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:16 pm to UGAalum08
Touchbacks were preferred when it went to the 20
are you suggesting that UGAs kick coverege calls are as follows?
Ok, I am gonna kick it as far as I can... if it doesnt go in the end zone... go tackle that mottherfuker..
are you suggesting that UGAs kick coverege calls are as follows?
Ok, I am gonna kick it as far as I can... if it doesnt go in the end zone... go tackle that mottherfuker..
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:22 pm to UGAalum08
With all the kickers we had, including Morgan, that can put them through the uprights from 60 out off the ground, you think they all just cant get it another 5 yards with a tee? Gotcha.
Again, Richt has ALWAYS did high kicks to the 5 yard line on the numbers.
In his years at UGA, Blair Walsh had 4 (5%), 17 (22%), 12 (16%), and 19 (27%).
In 2012, he had 53 TB for Minnesota with 62% TB average.....
Another player from UGA realizing potential once in the NFL I guess......
Again, Richt has ALWAYS did high kicks to the 5 yard line on the numbers.
In his years at UGA, Blair Walsh had 4 (5%), 17 (22%), 12 (16%), and 19 (27%).
In 2012, he had 53 TB for Minnesota with 62% TB average.....
Another player from UGA realizing potential once in the NFL I guess......
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:24 pm to UGAalum08
LINK
Your link from earlier left this off:
"For us, we like to get it near the numbers, which is about 6-8 yards for the sideline with a lot of hang-time so you only have to cover a third of the field, so to speak, or a half of the field. ... If you try to line-drive a ball out of the end zone and you don't quite get it out of the end zone, there's not much hang-time, the guy catches it quickly, your coverage team is not down the field far enough, and that's when you really give up the big returns."
Your link from earlier left this off:
"For us, we like to get it near the numbers, which is about 6-8 yards for the sideline with a lot of hang-time so you only have to cover a third of the field, so to speak, or a half of the field. ... If you try to line-drive a ball out of the end zone and you don't quite get it out of the end zone, there's not much hang-time, the guy catches it quickly, your coverage team is not down the field far enough, and that's when you really give up the big returns."
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:36 pm to IT_Dawg
That sounds like what we see
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:42 pm to Peter Buck
Also, even with trying to kick it to the numbers (6-8 yards from the sideline), Morgan has ZERO kickoffs out of bounds in 3 years.....
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:47 pm to IT_Dawg
And you left this out of yours:
But yeah, somehow you think he doesn't want to. The fact that he doesn't kick it out is not evidence that he doesn't want to.
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If you knew 100 percent that you could knock it out of the end zone every time, that's what we would do.
But yeah, somehow you think he doesn't want to. The fact that he doesn't kick it out is not evidence that he doesn't want to.
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