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At what point does BB's seat start to warm up?

Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:31 am
Posted by Hillborn 22
K-Bay
Member since Mar 2014
864 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:31 am
After next season? 2016?

I've always been a believer in Bielema and I have confidence that he has our program headed in the right direction, we'll be good again once we get rid of all the Petrino leftovers. That said, not all of our fans have the vision, nor the patience, to see the program Bielema is trying to build here. Most fans are just focused on instant success, as evident by the turnout at WMS Saturday. They would rather turn out to games when we are "good" rather than when our team needs the support from its fans more than ever. I'm afraid some of the University's biggest contributors will start calling for heads at some point sooner than later. That being said, when do BB and JL start feeling the pressure from still being winless in the SEC?


ETA: First priority for this staff at the end of this season (I'd prefer if it were sooner) is to can Chaney's fat arse and send him packing, that will remedy a few issues. We need to recruit like hell this offseason.

This post was edited on 10/22/14 at 12:35 am
Posted by Gladius Veritas
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since May 2012
13189 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:39 am to
At the very least we have to make a bowl game next year. If not I'm guessing his seat will be pretty damn warm
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
66368 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:01 am to
You're going to shite when we beat LSU and Mizzou to make a bowl game THIS year.
Posted by RazorHawg
Member since Aug 2013
24415 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:54 am to
2018 or 2019 when the buyout goes below 3.2 mil

He knew the rebuilding project he was getting into when taking the job. Going to be longer process along the lines of what Mullen is doing at State rather than what Saban jumped into at Bama.
This post was edited on 10/22/14 at 1:56 am
Posted by WonderWartHawg
Member since Dec 2010
10531 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 6:30 am to
quote:

He knew the rebuilding project he was getting into when taking the job


True - to a degree.
He did not realize he was left with no receivers, per his own statement from a while back. (Statement paraphrased a little.)
He also didn't realize just HOW tough the SEC West was.
It is/was in worse shape than he first thought.
Posted by ocelot4ark
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2009
12458 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 7:36 am to
quote:

At what point does BB's seat start to warm up?



The point where this:

quote:

First priority for this staff at the end of this season (I'd prefer if it were sooner) is to can Chaney's fat arse and send him packing


doesn't happen.
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12573 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 8:06 am to
quote:

I've always been a believer in Bielema and I have confidence that he has our program headed in the right direction, we'll be good again once we get rid of all the Petrino leftovers. That said, not all of our fans have the vision, nor the patience, to see the program Bielema is trying to build here. Most fans are just focused on instant success, as evident by the turnout at WMS Saturday. They would rather turn out to games when we are "good" rather than when our team needs the support from its fans more than ever.


The common fans don't have any say in the direction of the program, and thank God that's true. If it weren't, we'd have hired Garrick McGee or promoted Paul Petrino, throw the ball 70 times a game, and play ASU in Little Rock.

Also, we're playing a ton of true freshmen and sophomores and don't have a QB, a kicker, a punter, or playmakers at receiver. We're thin at OL, WR, the entire back seven, and have no kicker or special teams threat.

quote:

I'm afraid some of the University's biggest contributors will start calling for heads at some point sooner than later. That being said, when do BB and JL start feeling the pressure from still being winless in the SEC?


Meh, I have a friend whose dad is on the BOT, and my dad is friends with one of Gearhart's brothers. From the precious little I've heard, most of the PTB on tHill knew this would be a colossal rebuilding effort unlike anything we've seen before.

With all that said, if we go 0-8 again, 2015 will be the year in which we'll have to show a ton of progress. I still think he can get it done here, and he's not making a fool of himself like Petrino did off the field and JLS did everywhere. We're experiencing far less attrition, recruiting much better and recruiting higher character kids, APR and GPA is up, and our strength and conditioning program is much better than it's ever been. If Bert is ultimately unsuccessful here, he's still going to be leaving the program in *much* better shape than he found it.

Longterm - I'm hoping Bert works out for a litany of reasons, not the least of which being that I'm scared that if he doesn't, other coaches are going to view our program as a place you can't win. I'm worried that the mindset of "dang, he dominated at Wisconsin and now he can't win a thing at Arkansas!" might permeate through the coaching ranks, but that's a long way away if it even ever comes to fruition.
This post was edited on 10/22/14 at 8:11 am
Posted by The_Joker
Winter Park, Fl
Member since Jan 2013
16354 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 10:14 am to
If he misses a bowl next year
Posted by Porker Face
Eden Isle
Member since Feb 2012
15494 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 10:33 am to
If we go winless in the SEC this year, it begins to warm

If we miss a bowl next year, it should be scorching

No team should be that bad. Not for $3M/year

Problem is, I can see us going 0-for this year again and I don't see any saviors walking through that door that gives me any hope for next year
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 11:40 am to
LSU is going to whip our arse.

If we'd have played them early we'd have stomped em bad. That team will improve big time this month.
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12573 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 11:46 am to
quote:

I don't see any saviors walking through that door that gives me any hope for next year


Meh, I'd argue that that's actually one of the good things about the way Bert builds a team and is approaching this rebuild. He's not having to rely on a savior like McFadden and Mallett becsuse he operates through depth and building a redshirt program.

I'm not being a sunshine pumper, but we're getting a lot of guys like JoJo, Hackett, Hedlund, Peavey, Day coming off shirts, in addition to guys like Ragnow, Wallace, Jackson, Eugene, Ramsey, and Tolliver who've logged a lot of time as true freshmen.

We'll be an extremely experienced team next year, but those young guys have to take that step forward.
This post was edited on 10/22/14 at 11:47 am
Posted by hogfly
Fayetteville, AR
Member since May 2014
4764 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:27 pm to
quote:

Problem is, I can see us going 0-for this year again and I don't see any saviors walking through that door that gives me any hope for next year


ZOMG! RAFE PEAVEY!! He's the BEST QB on CAMPUS.

AND TY STOREY WILL BE THE FIRST TRUE FRESHMAN TO WIN THE HEISMAN IN HIS FRESHMAN YEAR!


Sorry... reading too much HV.
Posted by Razorback4life
Metairie
Member since Jan 2010
76 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 5:22 pm to
I think he should have a min of 4 years. He definitely has us heading in the right direction as we all know how heart breaking the A&M, and Bama game was. Two very winnable games. Did he get some recruits in when he first got here? He only has one class of kids, (maybe two...Im not sure how many sophmores we have are his recruits) so I say give the man some time. It was really tough last year for him wanting to play that hard nosed football with petrinos finesse high powered offense. He has done a good job though getting some weight on those guys to better use them for the type of play he wants. If we dont get to a bowl game next year the seat may start to get a little warm, but I dont think our AD will give up on him that fast even so. I do think we will be bowling next year though. This year is not over either so I'm still hoping we hit that 6-6 mark. Never Yield!
Posted by digitalis
Member since Oct 2009
411 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 7:00 pm to
He has 5 years minimum. And it would have to get really bad to get fired the 5th year.

If we see a mass exodus of assistant coaches this year, I'd get worried about the future of this program.
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12573 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 7:12 pm to
quote:

l If we see a mass exodus of assistant coaches this year, I'd get worried about the


I'll take Jim Chaney for 1000, Alex.

Also, I like Robb Smith, but I'd take Muschamp as DC in a heartbeat. Boom can straight up coach defense. Wouldn't happen unless Smith went elsewhere but I'd take a proven SEC D-coordinator.
Posted by hollywood23
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
319 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 7:26 pm to
If I were a betting man, I'd bet that the defensive staff will return intact, unless Shannon gets a gig as a DC or HC. I really believe we will see some offensive staff changes. Bielema has proven that he will make changes if necessary. While we have had some good numbers, Cheney has yet to develop a real flow. I like him and believe that he is a really good coach, but in my opinion it isn't working like Bert had hoped for. Cheney, while likable, isn't that great a developer of quarterbacks, and we desperately need a QB developer. I'm not real sure what Michael Smith does.
Posted by The_Joker
Winter Park, Fl
Member since Jan 2013
16354 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 7:37 pm to
quote:

Problem is, I can see us going 0-for this year again and I don't see any saviors walking through that door that gives me any hope for next year


Experience is the savior that should be walking through the door. It's happening for Ole Miss right now. We'll have a very experienced team from top to bottom next year.
Posted by razorbackfan4life
Northwest Arkansas
Member since Apr 2011
8570 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 7:45 pm to
Offensive skill players, PRIMARILY qbs and wrs, are what we need badly.

I think our line play is set, on both sides of the ball, for years to come.

I said at the beginning of the year that this team will go as far as Brandon Allen can take them. So far it's better, but not good enough.

Posted by opdogg20
Fayetteville
Member since Feb 2014
1104 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 8:01 pm to
'15 Bowl or Bust. No bowl in '15 is unacceptable. We have UTEP, Toledo, UT-Martin, Texas Tech, and Tennesee on the docket next year. If we can't win 1 of our other 7 SEC games on that schedule, we never will with BB at the helm. Bowl game or a minimum of 3 SEC wins next year IMO.
Posted by WonderWartHawg
Member since Dec 2010
10531 posts
Posted on 10/22/14 at 8:04 pm to
quote:

LSU is going to whip our arse.


You'd think. But somehow, we will play them close and lose, or even beat them. Book it.
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