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re: Intentional grounding play
Posted on 9/15/14 at 6:15 pm to SquatchDawg
Posted on 9/15/14 at 6:15 pm to SquatchDawg
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First, #75 missed the block on the defender that broke up the play and almost got Mason. He makes the block and Quayvon walks in.
Second...there were like 10 guys in the box...the fullback pass was a great call.
And Mason obviously threw it into the SC guys leg....which wasn't even in the same direction as the fullback.
Yep, Houston completely missed his block; I mean didn't even try to block the guy so it looked like a missed assignment. Then Mason overreacted when it looked like to me he had enough time to roll right and still make the pass. This is a another case where lack of athletic ability really hurts at the QB position. A player like Shockley or Nick Marshall could have quickly moved to the right and completed the pass for a TD.
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 6:43 pm to davesdawgs
Yep...and its not like Houston took the wrong guy either. He ran right past the DE and then started looking for somebody to block.
When you turn the DE loose on the same side as the roll out its not good.
When you turn the DE loose on the same side as the roll out its not good.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 6:52 pm to SquatchDawg
But here is the thing guys. When you are that close to the goal line, you throw the ball away by throwing out of the back of the end zone. No chance for grounding, no chance for deflection, no chance it gets ruled a fumble. Again QB 101. So while I agree and wish we had run the ball. It would have still been 2nd and short if not for the penalty. Bad play call, maybe. Poor execution, definitely. Bonehead play by Mason, absolutely.
However, if it was designed to be a middle screen, he may have been coached to throw at the feet if the play is not there. That would be the correct play anywhere else on the field.
What did our Heisman caliber running back think, watching 2 out of 3 plays being pass plays with the game on the line?
Now on with the season. Go Dawgs!
However, if it was designed to be a middle screen, he may have been coached to throw at the feet if the play is not there. That would be the correct play anywhere else on the field.
What did our Heisman caliber running back think, watching 2 out of 3 plays being pass plays with the game on the line?
Now on with the season. Go Dawgs!
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:03 pm to Broncothor
better yet, if Mason wasn't such a sacred beta once the ball snapped he could have tossed it over the DE to a wide open Hicks. However, Mason apparently can't remember anything once the game is live and he is the target.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:05 pm to Broncothor
Here is another albeit a minor criticism.
Are we thinking about the clock at this time in the game? 5:24 to go. You have 1st and G at the 4. You run Gurley. If he doesn't score that clock keeps running. 2nd and goal, run the ball again. If you dont score it brings up a 3rd and G situation which I think you go for it. By that time you should be close to or even under 4 minutes. Perhaps you force tOBC to burn a timeout. If you are in 4th and G situation you have a choice to make but you have chewed a good bit of time off that clock regardless of what you decide to go for the win or the tie.
Are we thinking about the clock at this time in the game? 5:24 to go. You have 1st and G at the 4. You run Gurley. If he doesn't score that clock keeps running. 2nd and goal, run the ball again. If you dont score it brings up a 3rd and G situation which I think you go for it. By that time you should be close to or even under 4 minutes. Perhaps you force tOBC to burn a timeout. If you are in 4th and G situation you have a choice to make but you have chewed a good bit of time off that clock regardless of what you decide to go for the win or the tie.
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:06 pm to SoGaFan
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if Mason wasn't such a sacred beta once the ball snapped he could have tossed it over the DE to a wide open Hicks
If he tried to do that and it was intercepted, or deflected up in the air and then intercepted, we would never hear the end of it.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:14 pm to WG_Dawg
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If he tried to do that and it was intercepted, or deflected up in the air and then intercepted, we would never hear the end of it.
well...yeah, it still would have been a passing play
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:18 pm to dawgsjw
That was Mason's 3rd intentional grounding call in his last three games. It goes back to his mental presence under pressure in the pocket. IMO.
Dixon is not a particularly agile player and Mason still had room to try to elude him, at least long enough to get out of the tackle box. Instead he essentially spiked the football to avoid a sack. We can sit here and debate whether the call was correct, but a "pass" like that is high risk to end up being called for grounding every time.
Dixon is not a particularly agile player and Mason still had room to try to elude him, at least long enough to get out of the tackle box. Instead he essentially spiked the football to avoid a sack. We can sit here and debate whether the call was correct, but a "pass" like that is high risk to end up being called for grounding every time.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:26 pm to K9
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:31 pm to K9
I know that. I was responding to the person who said he simply should've thrown it over the defender to hicks. It wasn't that simple.
I'm not talking abt the actual playcall.
I'm not talking abt the actual playcall.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:33 pm to wdhalgren
I think we can all agree that this play was an epic clusterfrick on many different levels.
First, Bobo for calling this shite.
Second to Richt for not overruling this shite on the headset.
Third, as I and others have pointed out Houston touches NO ONE. Doesn't block a soul. Doesn't even give the DE a shove outside at the bare minimum to knock him off his direct track to Mason.
Fourth and finally, Huston Mason. Should have thrown it out of the end zone.
First, Bobo for calling this shite.
Second to Richt for not overruling this shite on the headset.
Third, as I and others have pointed out Houston touches NO ONE. Doesn't block a soul. Doesn't even give the DE a shove outside at the bare minimum to knock him off his direct track to Mason.
Fourth and finally, Huston Mason. Should have thrown it out of the end zone.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:38 pm to Broncothor
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Bad play call, maybe. Poor execution, definitely. Bonehead play by Mason, absolutely.
That pretty much sums it up.
Last year against Clemson we did exactly the opposite. We get inside the 5 and run 3 run plays up the gut for nothing.....and then I think miss the FG. I was pissed we didn't run a fullback pass.
This year....we run the fullback pass against a loaded box. One guy misses a block .... Mason panics and throws it at the DE's cock.
WTF....sometimes you're just screwed before you get off the bus.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:44 pm to SquatchDawg
Couple points: Not sure why we are playing Houston at all. It is a naked boot off the run fake, we are intentionally not blocking the DE. Houston steps down like he is suppose to and nobody showed up cause everyone else went for the pass fake.
We see that throw away play all the time on screen plays that the defense reads. Really do not think that is grounding. If it doesn't hit the defender it definitely would have been close enough to an eligible receiver to not be grounding.
The receiver doesn't have to be looking, that has nothing to do with the play.
My problem was the risk of the call. No need to take this chance for a negative play. Obviously we should have pounded the ball to the best player on the field whether they were keying him or not. Richt even admitted that. Will agree with several of you that Mason is panicking a bit and that was a big part of this play. He isn't comfortable back there (lack of game experience) and he is quick to dump it off or get rid of it.
We see that throw away play all the time on screen plays that the defense reads. Really do not think that is grounding. If it doesn't hit the defender it definitely would have been close enough to an eligible receiver to not be grounding.
The receiver doesn't have to be looking, that has nothing to do with the play.
My problem was the risk of the call. No need to take this chance for a negative play. Obviously we should have pounded the ball to the best player on the field whether they were keying him or not. Richt even admitted that. Will agree with several of you that Mason is panicking a bit and that was a big part of this play. He isn't comfortable back there (lack of game experience) and he is quick to dump it off or get rid of it.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:45 pm to DaveyDownerDawg
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First, Bobo for calling this shite.
That was the biggest mistake. All we've heard is that Hutson Mason is a "game manager", not someone you depend on to win the game for you. Maybe Bobo doesn't see it that way, but our aggregate play selection over the last four games doesn't scream "confidence" in Mason to make clutch plays. So why put the game in his hands in that situation?
If Mason actually is an offensive weapon who can be depended on to move the sticks, long past time to let him prove that before some critical moment demands it. If his role is to be a manager, we have to bite the bullet and call plays like any other one dimensional offense. Shoulda just handed it off to our offensive weapon three times.
Also, Mason doesn't see the field that well under good circumstances. I'm not sure if it's ever a good idea to have him completely turn his back on the defense on a pass play, even a short dump pass. It takes the qb longer to get his bearings on the defense and receivers when he does that.
This post was edited on 9/15/14 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:49 pm to SquatchDawg
HUTSON'S INTENTIONAL GROUNDING - 5:24 left in 4th Quarter (1st & Goal from 4 Yard Line)
Once you take a look at the video, check out the diagram of the play below.
Hutson Mason's Grounding
Look at that diagram. I could argue that there are 10 guys in the box. But, I'll resort to saying there are only 9. South Carolina was absolutely selling out for the run. As with the play above, South Carolina was playing the boundary tight and was looking to stop the toss sweep.
The play is a fake toss, naked boot with a single route and the WR cracking down on the LB. The issue is that the DE makes an excellent play, stays at home, and forces Mason to just get rid of the ball. Mason does a good job of throwing it at his receiver's feet. However, something happens and the ball ends up back near the OL. The official decides that it is indeed grounding and gives Georgia a penalty.
This was on Blawg House. With a diagram. Apparently Huston didn't have the end.
Once you take a look at the video, check out the diagram of the play below.
Hutson Mason's Grounding
Look at that diagram. I could argue that there are 10 guys in the box. But, I'll resort to saying there are only 9. South Carolina was absolutely selling out for the run. As with the play above, South Carolina was playing the boundary tight and was looking to stop the toss sweep.
The play is a fake toss, naked boot with a single route and the WR cracking down on the LB. The issue is that the DE makes an excellent play, stays at home, and forces Mason to just get rid of the ball. Mason does a good job of throwing it at his receiver's feet. However, something happens and the ball ends up back near the OL. The official decides that it is indeed grounding and gives Georgia a penalty.
This was on Blawg House. With a diagram. Apparently Huston didn't have the end.
Posted on 9/15/14 at 7:57 pm to Chili Dawg
Houston definitely isn't responsible for the end. If he steps out it gives away the run fake and there is no way he could hook the DE from there anyways. It was a 1 man route all the way. Conley was looking to block the whole way.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 12:15 pm to dawgsjw
Obvious it was a naked pass to Hicks.........gamble at that point of the field. I think Bobo wants to show the world (well, CFB) how clever he is. KISS, when you have TG in your backfield!!
Posted on 9/16/14 at 12:39 pm to WG_Dawg
That pic shows Hicks clearly looking at Mason. I guess that shuts down the whole Hicks wasn't looking business.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 12:49 pm to Chili Dawg
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Look at that diagram. I could argue that there are 10 guys in the box. But, I'll resort to saying there are only 9. South Carolina was absolutely selling out for the run. As with the play above, South Carolina was playing the boundary tight and was looking to stop the toss sweep
Quit making sense because nobody want to believe it. They would rather say that Gurley would have ran through 9, 10, or even all 11 players. They just don't want to believe that it may have been a good call...
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