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re: Hutson Mason: Beyond The Numbers (Breakdown/Long)
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:59 pm to GeorgiaBoy
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:59 pm to GeorgiaBoy
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For some reason, he would then slow it back down.
Idk if I agree they did this, I'd have to go back and watch, but one thing that was said by I wanna say Michael Bennett was the team just wasn't conditioned enough to run that offense. They weren't ready to go that fast. Pretty sure that has been a major emphasis this offseason and that UGA will run a faster offense.
Not sure if I am excited about that or not but we'll see.
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:01 pm to gatorhata9
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Wrong.
You talking to me?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:07 pm to Damn Good Dawg
I don't doubt the conditioning part of your statement.
I'm excited about the faster pace if that's where Mason feels most comfortable. He threw for a shite ton of yards and td's in high school running an up tempo offense. And you know teams will stack the box until he proves that he can beat them.
I'm excited about the faster pace if that's where Mason feels most comfortable. He threw for a shite ton of yards and td's in high school running an up tempo offense. And you know teams will stack the box until he proves that he can beat them.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:16 pm to GeorgiaBoy
My only worry is that if he or the offense doesn't establish the momentum we need then our defense will be on the field even more. It'd be BSU 2011 all over again.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:20 pm to Damn Good Dawg
Good point! Hadn't thought of it that way.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:27 pm to FooManChoo
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I interpreted this breakdown to be all about Mason, not his help, which is why the emphasis was on yards thrown rather than YAC.
Exactly, this. A QB's stats can get inflated by a short throw that someone breaks for a long gain. The QB might throw for 300 yards but never throw the ball more than 20 yards and his receivers break long gains because THEY are that talented. It makes a QB look as if he can sling it, when he is actually a dink kind of thrower.
I think once he gets settled in he will surprise some people with a long throw or two, but he will not do it all the time. Just enough to keep the defense honest. And that is all we need/want him to do.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:28 pm to DawgsLife
Yea, I mean I am just shootin' the shite here but I think Mason is excellent at rhythm passing and all that jazz. I really just worry with the deep balls because he has yet to show me that he really can do that worth a shite.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:30 pm to DawgsLife
Touchdowns count whether he throws it 70 yards or 7. I can live with Gurley for 3, qucik slant for 3, curl for 6 all day if we're winning. As long as he doesn't throw it to the other team, I'm happy.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:34 pm to WorkinDawg
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Yep. 2 drops, will grany you. Last I checked rain is part of the game and affects both teams equally. Or so I've been told.
Yes, you are correct. Which could explain why the Nebraska QB went 6/14 with 1 TD and 1 Int. The Nebraska QB threw for 163 yards and 99 of those came on 1 play....so for Mason to throw for 320 is pretty good, I would say.
And I think they dropped more than two. They dropped 2 with 5 minutes left in the game and BOTH inside the red zone. VERY crucial drops.
He's not Aaron Murray. I think we all realize that. We know we will miss Murray. But he isn't a total loss, either. He is a solid QB that, if he does not make poor throws will help this team win a lot of games.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:36 pm to GeorgiaBoy
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Touchdowns count whether he throws it 70 yards or 7.
Sure they do, but it does not give you an idea of arm strength. If you hear someone say a QB threw a 70 yard TD pass, you generally think of a deep ball and a good arm. Mason does not SEEM to have a canon of an arm. But there are a lot of QBs out there that do not have canons for arms that have done pretty well. AJ McCarron comes to mind. he had a good arm, but hardly great.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:39 pm to GeorgiaBoy
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Touchdowns count whether he throws it 70 yards or 7. I can live with Gurley for 3, qucik slant for 3, curl for 6 all day if we're winning. As long as he doesn't throw it to the other team, I'm happy.
I hear that. I definitely can. I love that side of Mason. But you need that deep threat to open everything up and when you rely on that quick stuff you only up the % of turnover/frick up by adding more plays.
Again, not really here to argue just here to have a discussion and stuff.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:39 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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I really just worry with the deep balls because he has yet to show me that he really can do that worth a shite.
Not sure he can throw the deep ball. But, we have enough weapons he may not have to. Remember the Run Lindsey Run TD against Florida? It wasn't a deep throw at all. And don't forget the catch/run we made against South Carolina....was it Wooten or someone else? You don't necessarily NEED to throw the ball deep to break a long TD. (Admittedly it does help if you can, though)
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:39 pm to DawgsLife
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AJ McCarron comes to mind. he had a good arm, but hardly great.
he threw a pretty good deep ball IIRC
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:41 pm to DawgsLife
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Not sure he can throw the deep ball. But, we have enough weapons he may not have to. Remember the Run Lindsey Run TD against Florida? It wasn't a deep throw at all. And don't forget the catch/run we made against South Carolina....was it Wooten or someone else? You don't necessarily NEED to throw the ball deep to break a long TD. (Admittedly it does help if you can, though)
Don't disagree but Mitchell seems to be the best bet for that kind of play and lord knows if he'll ever be a big part of the offense again. Then you have TG3 and KM4 so that's there but my point is you want to have that threat there. Deep balls aren't integral in the offense but it sure as hell makes the rest of the underneath stuff easier if that threat is there. Makes comeback routes a helluva lot more lethal too I figure.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:42 pm to DawgsLife
I agree, he has not shown anything resembling a cannon. For that matter, his arm appears much weaker than Murray's to me. As long as Bobo plays to that, I think Mason will be fine.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:43 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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Again, not really here to argue just here to have a discussion and stuff.
It's a good legitimate discussion to have, too. It's good to go into the season with our eyes open, knowing what our QB is capable of....or is not capable of. Bobo is pretty smart, though. I suspect he will play to Mason's strengths. The key with mason is he needs to make good decisions and not turn the ball over. As you said, the more plays you run the more chance you have of turning it over. However, the longer the throw the higher the percentage of turning the ball over. Mason will need to muscle up and throw the ball deep once or twice a game to keep their secondary from creeping up and taking the short stuff away from us.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:44 pm to GeorgiaBoy
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I agree, he has not shown anything resembling a cannon. For that matter, his arm appears much weaker than Murray's to me. As long as Bobo plays to that, I think Mason will be fine.
I agree. And, FWIW, I am not downplaying his arm. I think it is adequate. Not a canon, but not a limp noodle, either. He'll be ok.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:47 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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Don't disagree but Mitchell seems to be the best bet for that kind of play and lord knows if he'll ever be a big part of the offense again
For all the people talking about Gurley being injury prone (other fan bases, not ours) I am more concerned about Mitchell. he does seem to be a bit on the injury prone side. But Scott-Wesley does on as does Conley.
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my point is you want to have that threat there.
Absolutely! if you CAN'T throw it deep their secondary will creep closer and take away the short game. If he can throw 1-2 balls deep a game we will be ok. He will need to connect occasionally, too, though!
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:48 pm to DawgsLife
I trust in Bobo at this point too. I guess I am kind of playing devil's advocate while also stating my doubts about Mason. My ideal offense, with or without Mason, is a bunch of rhythmic passes from the gun and pistol coupled with power running from the same formations. If they can do that with that frenzied pace but still run enough plays to give the defense a rest then I'll be all kinds of excited. I just hate to imagine them trotting on and off with the world's quickest 3 and outs like they did vs BSU.
But I am a worrier and that's why my friends call me Whiskers.
But I am a worrier and that's why my friends call me Whiskers.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:50 pm to Damn Good Dawg
Didn't think you were trying to argue. Good points made by all. At least we're discussing football.
Whether he completes any deep balls at all, he will have to throw some to keep the D honest. Otherwise, our whole game plan will go to shite. Everybody will play 9 in the box and dare us to throw it 25 yards.
Whether he completes any deep balls at all, he will have to throw some to keep the D honest. Otherwise, our whole game plan will go to shite. Everybody will play 9 in the box and dare us to throw it 25 yards.
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