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Minnesota homeowner goes on trial for teen intruders' deaths
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:23 am
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:23 am
This guy doesnt frick around
I'm all for a homeowner's right to protect himself, and I feel next to no sympathy for the thieves, but I can't condone this. This guy went Jules Winnfield on their asses.
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A Minnesota man on trial for killing two teenagers after they broke into his house had planned the killings, and was lying in wait in his basement with a book, some snacks and two guns, prosecutors said Monday. But a defense attorney countered that his client was terrified after several increasingly violent break-ins and hid after hearing a window break and footsteps upstairs.
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"He's looking, facing up at me, and I shoot him in the face. I want him dead," Smith told investigators.
Smith said he put Brady's body on a tarp so he wouldn't get blood into his carpet, dragged it into his workshop, reloaded his rifle and sat down.
Smith described feeling adrenaline, and "blood was pounding in my ears." He said he also felt he was being ganged up on, something he called one of his "red buttons." So when he saw Kifer come down the stairs minutes later, "I killed her too."
He shot her, and when he tried to "finish her off" his rifle jammed and she laughed, he said.
"I just pulled out the 22 and I shot her," he told authorities. He said he then pulled her into the workshop, but she was still gasping, so "I did a good, clean finishing shot and she gave out the death twitch."
He said he didn't call police because the teens were already dead and "just cause my Thanksgiving is screwed up I don't need to screw up yours." The next day, he asked a neighbor to call police.
I'm all for a homeowner's right to protect himself, and I feel next to no sympathy for the thieves, but I can't condone this. This guy went Jules Winnfield on their asses.
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Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:28 am to Roger Klarvin
This guy seems like he enjoyed it ...
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:29 am to Roger Klarvin
Well damn. I wonder how often this happens and people don't call the police.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 1:54 am to Roger Klarvin
So much crazy in this story... I couldn't imagine the girl laughing after she'd been shot... Sounds like he's certifiably crazy as hell...
Posted on 4/23/14 at 2:56 am to Roger Klarvin
I don't get the "she laughed after I shot her" statement.
Sounds like a psycho.
Sounds like a psycho.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 4:35 am to Roger Klarvin
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I'm all for a homeowner's right to protect himself, and I feel next to no sympathy for the thieves, but I can't condone this.
Why? Seems to me they got what they deserved.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 6:07 am to Roger Klarvin
NEWSFLASH! Dear "Teens",
DON'T BREAK INTO PEOPLES' HOUSES AND YOU WON'T GET SHOT.
Sincerely,
'Merica.
frick Minnesota. And frick 'teens' who break into houses.
Kill em all and let God sort em out, if they break in to occupied dwellings.
IDGAF.
A man's home is his castle.
Anybody ever research what people used to do to castle invaders?
How about drawn/quartered? Burned alive? Various body parts amputated?
Home invasions would decrease if consequences were real. Some boiling oil dumped onto the front porch when the breach was occurring would have prevented these innocent teens from going into the basement thus saving their miserable worthless lives.
And providing them with an ever-present personal reminder that breaking into others' homes is not a good idea and that it is not the way civilized people act.
Our ancestors understood this, well at least those with European, Middle Eastern, Asian or Latin American heritage.
S/S/SU
DON'T BREAK INTO PEOPLES' HOUSES AND YOU WON'T GET SHOT.
Sincerely,
'Merica.
frick Minnesota. And frick 'teens' who break into houses.
Kill em all and let God sort em out, if they break in to occupied dwellings.
IDGAF.
A man's home is his castle.
Anybody ever research what people used to do to castle invaders?
How about drawn/quartered? Burned alive? Various body parts amputated?
Home invasions would decrease if consequences were real. Some boiling oil dumped onto the front porch when the breach was occurring would have prevented these innocent teens from going into the basement thus saving their miserable worthless lives.
And providing them with an ever-present personal reminder that breaking into others' homes is not a good idea and that it is not the way civilized people act. Our ancestors understood this, well at least those with European, Middle Eastern, Asian or Latin American heritage.
S/S/SU
Posted on 4/23/14 at 7:38 am to Roger Klarvin
A club owner in Denver did the same thing a few years back. Place kept getting broken into so he waited in the dark with a gun. Blasted the intruder and went to prison. Colorado has the "stand your ground" law where you can kill anyone that poses a threat to you in your house.... turns out it doesn't apply to businesses.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:46 am to Roger Klarvin
I think its clear that this guy has some mental health issues that make him kind of dangerous.
If only the law could account for subtleties like that. A good solution would be lifetime probation and mandatory mental health services.
Kind of a "not quite guilty because he's insane" kind of thing. Interesting case.
If only the law could account for subtleties like that. A good solution would be lifetime probation and mandatory mental health services.
Kind of a "not quite guilty because he's insane" kind of thing. Interesting case.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 10:48 am
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:48 am to Roger Klarvin
The guy is a POS and should be executed in the same manner that he executed those kids.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 10:51 am to Roger Klarvin
The man had the right to use lethal force to defend his home and stop the threat.
But as others have said, once the threat was stopped, he had a duty to call the police and let them finish up with the robbers rather than finishing them off, himself, out of malice.
But as others have said, once the threat was stopped, he had a duty to call the police and let them finish up with the robbers rather than finishing them off, himself, out of malice.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:30 am to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:49 am to Roger Klarvin
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He tried another shot, but his rifle jammed
Ruger Mini-14
But seriously, dude is nuts... He should be locked up. I have no problem with anyone shooting an intruder, even if it turns out that they were unarmed. You shouldn't expect someone to wait for the burglar to produce a weapon and fire the first shot.
After they're no longer a threat, it's an execution.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 11:49 am to Roger Klarvin
well they got what they deserved for breaking in. I will never feel bad when a home owner kills someone breaking in. However this guy is fricking dumb, if you have no witnesses and 2 dead bodies you should have a better story.
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:08 pm to Roger Klarvin
I'm torn on this.
First, the accused is seemingly a whack job.
Facts, as we know them:
Kids had robbed multiple houses
One kid had robbed this mans house multiple times
There were Minutes between first killing and second killing, per the article.
I wholeheartedly disagree that there is ANY premeditation since he is the victim of a crime and he had no idea when that would happen. I have a plan of action if my house is being broken into. I would argue that it cannot be premeditation.
Things don't add up.
He goes to the basement and hides, suspecting a break in in progress. First guy goes down and takes a round to the chest and then another. A seemingly obvious action after this would have the second perp fleeing, but she did not. To me, that is not only odd, but shows the threat isn't over at all.
She then goes down and is then met with resistance.
I'm good with this if it really went down this way. Pressing an attack in the robbery by going into the basement where she had to have heard multiple gunshots.... A novice criminal sure as he'll wouldn't do that. That piece bothers me.
I don't care for the home owners mindset, wording, or after actions but as a victim of multiple break ins, if this guy has a crystal clear record, a lawyer could argue that anything he says after this action can be tainted by a form of PTSD. A lawful person who has never killed is going to be fricked in the head.
I don't know the laws in MN. I don't know if he broke the law by waiting to call the police. I don't think putting a guy on a tarp is against the law, like it said, he could be severely traumatized and not thinking clearly.
I have little sympathy as breaking in is a crime that is easily avoided.
Like I said, I'm torn here.
First, the accused is seemingly a whack job.
Facts, as we know them:
Kids had robbed multiple houses
One kid had robbed this mans house multiple times
There were Minutes between first killing and second killing, per the article.
I wholeheartedly disagree that there is ANY premeditation since he is the victim of a crime and he had no idea when that would happen. I have a plan of action if my house is being broken into. I would argue that it cannot be premeditation.
Things don't add up.
He goes to the basement and hides, suspecting a break in in progress. First guy goes down and takes a round to the chest and then another. A seemingly obvious action after this would have the second perp fleeing, but she did not. To me, that is not only odd, but shows the threat isn't over at all.
She then goes down and is then met with resistance.
I'm good with this if it really went down this way. Pressing an attack in the robbery by going into the basement where she had to have heard multiple gunshots.... A novice criminal sure as he'll wouldn't do that. That piece bothers me.
I don't care for the home owners mindset, wording, or after actions but as a victim of multiple break ins, if this guy has a crystal clear record, a lawyer could argue that anything he says after this action can be tainted by a form of PTSD. A lawful person who has never killed is going to be fricked in the head.
I don't know the laws in MN. I don't know if he broke the law by waiting to call the police. I don't think putting a guy on a tarp is against the law, like it said, he could be severely traumatized and not thinking clearly.
I have little sympathy as breaking in is a crime that is easily avoided.
Like I said, I'm torn here.
This post was edited on 4/23/14 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 4/23/14 at 12:12 pm to Roger Klarvin
Yeah, this dude needs to fry. That's not defending your home. That's straight up murder.
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