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re: Nick Saban is going to win this debate
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:19 pm to Othello
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:19 pm to Othello
Easy chief. I'm just trying to figure out which plays you consider extra and why?
quote:Has anyone supported a rule change to allow this or said that it would benefit player safety?
Why stop at all? Why have whistles. Why have downs? Let's just fast break all game long. All 22 should stay out there and run around till somebody scores.
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:20 pm to Othello
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Saban is talking about the course of the season. Those extra plays add up to playing about 3-4 more games.
How did you get to this point?
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:22 pm to Othello
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Those extra plays add up to playing about 3-4 more games.
3-4 extra games? Really?
Could you break the math down for us on that?
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:25 pm to AUCatfish
Saban is playing the SUCKERS. This was never about injuries. The 10 second rule does nothing, it was a straw man. In the meantime, Saban is getting the officiating changed. Saban is playing chess while the SUCKERS play checkers.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:28 pm to parkjas2001
He said it the other day when he first talked about this stuff. There was a thread called something like Saban speaks but everyone was having too much fun mocking him hardly anyone noticed.
Personally I'm against the change but this is really about old school style coaches against new school.
Coaches like Saban want to hold the other team to as low a total as they can and just win. Coaches like Gus, Holgerson, Gundy, they don't care if their D gives up 70 as long as they can find a way to score 71.
The question is, like Saban said 'Should football keep evolving into a more continuous game? Or should it be reeled in a bit so that defenses don't have to feel embarrassed all the time about giving up such huge amounts.'
Again I'm against the rule change but I hate football when it's 77-70 and scores like that or the SECCG. Is it exciting sure? But I'm old fashi9ned and that's just not SEC Foosball to me.
Personally I'm against the change but this is really about old school style coaches against new school.
Coaches like Saban want to hold the other team to as low a total as they can and just win. Coaches like Gus, Holgerson, Gundy, they don't care if their D gives up 70 as long as they can find a way to score 71.
The question is, like Saban said 'Should football keep evolving into a more continuous game? Or should it be reeled in a bit so that defenses don't have to feel embarrassed all the time about giving up such huge amounts.'
Again I'm against the rule change but I hate football when it's 77-70 and scores like that or the SECCG. Is it exciting sure? But I'm old fashi9ned and that's just not SEC Foosball to me.
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:32 pm to Othello
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gain I'm against the rule change but I hate football when it's 77-70 and scores like that or the SECCG. Is it exciting sure? But I'm old fashi9ned and that's just not SEC Foosball to me.
Where does the old fashion line get drawn? Post wishbone?
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:32 pm to Othello
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Nick Saban is going to win this debate
Saban is talking about the course of the season. Those extra plays add up to playing about 3-4 more games.
So that is a good point he makes. He's not talking about one game.
So you add 4 extra games to the 12 and then maybe a CCG and then the bowl or playoffs now.
So what do NFL teams often do? They rest their stars for the last regular season game or two. Not just because they don't want someone to get injured in those games but because of wear and tear.
Sorry that doesn't fit into your incorrect straw man arguments.
So, are you FOR or AGAINST limiting the number of plays in a game? Because, 80 plays a game over 12 games is 960 plays a season. If we limit it to 60 plays a game, that's 4 extra games.
So, 60 plays a game MAXIMUM, right?
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:33 pm to Othello
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Or should it be reeled in a bit so that defenses don't have to feel embarrassed all the time about giving up such huge amounts.'
This is why Saban and Bielima are being called out nationally. I agree competitive fairness should be debated. The game is already tilted toward the O and I'm not really a fan of nintendo scores. But that should have been the discussion. Instead this player safety tract was taken and it's a load of BS. Plus it lessens the possibility of an honest discussion by the powers-that-be.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:33 pm to Othello
quote:But was he being straight with the numbers? What is the optimum number of plays per game that should be permitted?
He said it the other day when he first talked about this stuff.
quote:Well, this would call into his question yesterday that this was all about player safety.
like Saban said 'Should football keep evolving into a more continuous game? Or should it be reeled in a bit so that defenses don't have to feel embarrassed all the time about giving up such huge amounts.'
quote:That is fine. But those games are better than 52-0.
but I hate football when it's 77-70
Alabama's two most exciting games last year we clashes with HUNH teams, fwiw.
I think it is fine for people not to like a particular style of football, but trying to eliminate it through rule changes takes away from the sport.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:34 pm to AUCatfish
Bama's defense ran 771 plays last year or 59.3 a game.
If they had run 1135 plays(TTU led the nation in offensive snaps), they would have reached the 771 mark in the 4th Q of Game #9.
So the defenses combined that played TTU last season, played 3 more games worth of snaps than Bama did on thier own or 364 more snaps.
13 teams combined to run 364 more snaps or 28 apiece, not 3-4 extra games.
If they had run 1135 plays(TTU led the nation in offensive snaps), they would have reached the 771 mark in the 4th Q of Game #9.
So the defenses combined that played TTU last season, played 3 more games worth of snaps than Bama did on thier own or 364 more snaps.
13 teams combined to run 364 more snaps or 28 apiece, not 3-4 extra games.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:42 pm to piggidyphish
There seems to be two issues floating around.
1. Speed of the game
2. Number of plays
Does more plays = more injuries, or is it the speed at which those plays are played that makes the game more dangerous?
If it is speed of the game (which it obviously is for Nick), what about the speed of the game causes injuries? Is it an increase in the odds of getting hurt or player fatigue?
Player fatigue?
Solution: Conditioning
Odd of injury?
Solution: Play defense and stop it. Here is some complex, graduate-level mathematics for you. 3 and out = 3 plays, plus a punt play = 4 plays. Problem solved, unless your team sucks and your players don't belong in FBS football. I don't think there is anything we can do to prevent such a problem. Shut down the football program and suck your thumbs.
1. Speed of the game
2. Number of plays
Does more plays = more injuries, or is it the speed at which those plays are played that makes the game more dangerous?
If it is speed of the game (which it obviously is for Nick), what about the speed of the game causes injuries? Is it an increase in the odds of getting hurt or player fatigue?
Player fatigue?
Solution: Conditioning
Odd of injury?
Solution: Play defense and stop it. Here is some complex, graduate-level mathematics for you. 3 and out = 3 plays, plus a punt play = 4 plays. Problem solved, unless your team sucks and your players don't belong in FBS football. I don't think there is anything we can do to prevent such a problem. Shut down the football program and suck your thumbs.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:48 pm to Won3ofTheLast5
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Saban is playing the SUCKERS.
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Saban is playing chess while the SUCKERS play checkers.
might not want to out your alter that easy, Your random capitalization of words gives it away
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:52 pm to mattloc
Cowherd put it perfectly this morning when he dissected Saban's crying. He said to just check out the number of plays bama ran against it's outmanned OOC opponents the last 3 yrs. "For one so concerned about the higher number of plays run being unsafe, Saban consistently runs up the number of plays and yards against markedly weaker teams. ""Where is his concern over the safety of Chattanoga's players"? He may "get what he wants anyway", but he lied his arse off to get it.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 12:55 pm to Keltic Tiger
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Cowherd put it perfectly this morning when he dissected Saban's crying. He said to just check out the number of plays bama ran against it's outmanned OOC opponents the last 3 yrs. "For one so concerned about the higher number of plays run being unsafe, Saban consistently runs up the number of plays and yards against markedly weaker teams. ""Where is his concern over the safety of Chattanoga's players"? He may "get what he wants anyway", but he lied his arse off to get it.
That is not true. Bama has not run more than 72 plays against FCS teams the last 6 seasons.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:07 pm to NYCAuburn
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might not want to out your alter that easy, Your random capitalization of words gives it away
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:13 pm to joeyb147
You know what is safer than fewer plays? No plays. If you are acknowledging playing the game is that dangerous, don't play at all.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:15 pm to bamaclownbaby
Also saw stats where power run game teams are more likely to sustain injuries then passing and spread teams. Running the ball is now illegal.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:18 pm to joeyb147
Seriously, Saban had a master plan. Throw out this 10 second & injury BS to keep peoples eyes off of what he was really doing. The 10 second rule would've changed nothing, but it keeps everyone distracted. He's getting the officials on the same page. They have been hurrying the ball into play for HUNH teams, which is unfair. Saban is making them officiate at the same pace no matter what offense is being used, and adding an 8th official just to monitor substitutions. This will actually make a big difference. A stroke of genius by the master.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:24 pm to Won3ofTheLast5
quote:Whatever you say anitbarner
Won3ofTheLast5
Posted on 3/5/14 at 1:25 pm to Won3ofTheLast5
BINGO.....this man gets it.
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