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re: Those of you who are calling for JHC's head....

Posted on 1/20/14 at 3:51 am to
Posted by dawgsjw
Member since Dec 2012
2114 posts
Posted on 1/20/14 at 3:51 am to
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Maybe grad students who contribute towards studies that get grants for the school should get paid, as well.


Getting a grant for a school is different than making a profit from the football team. These players are tearing acls, getting concussions, etc, while bringing in millions, which I'm sure those grad students are doing the same thing.

Also you think the NCAA isn't a business?? Look at the fricking bowls! They dont give a frick who sponsors the bowls, just as long as they get their $$$$. I'm surprised yall agree w/ the NCaa that the school should get all the money, and the players should get paid in a scholarship. Also, going to uga doesn't cost 150k. Most of the players on the football team would qualify for financial aid or some other assistance where they wouldn't have to pay 150K like you think, not even close. When I went to school, and my bro went to uga, financial aid and hope scholarship paid most of it. At uga, my bro had to pay a little out of pocket, but that was just for the apartment, which was no where near 150K.

So all you guys acting like the scholarship is payment enough for bringing in millions is just stupid, especially when a school is recruiting a guy to come in and play football, not for their academics. The players getting a degree in the most part is just a scam so they can play football. Also, why dont we pay the coaches or assitants like we do the players, you know with free room and board and food, etc? B/c they want to get paid $$ like all the rest of Americans, who provides a service for a company (uga).

So everyone acting like JHC owes it to us to do this or that b/c he is on scholarship which is worth, you know 6 figures, is stupid. JHC owes nothing to us the fans. UGA got him to come in and play football and put asses in the seats. Then we have the strictest punishment in the the SEC to even further limit our players. The recruits see this, and quiet frankly, I wouldn't want to come to uga b/c if you have any fun and get caught, you could get screwed over in your football career, which is why you are coming to uga in the first place (marshall, mett, crowell). AGain, JHC wouldn't not be suspended like this at BAMA, LSU or the Barn! We are setting ourselves up for failure and next yr will be like this year. We have high hopes, but reality kicks in and we just shite the bed again and again. Maybe if Richt smoked some pot himself, he can come up with some good special teams play.

Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58925 posts
Posted on 1/20/14 at 7:54 am to
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Getting a grant for a school is different than making a profit from the football team. These players are tearing acls, getting concussions, etc, while bringing in millions, which I'm sure those grad students are doing the same thing.


Now you are changing the argument. You first said they should get paid because they bring money into the University. You also said that since football brings in the money, then football players should be the ones that get compensated.

NOW you are saying they should be compensated because they get injured. Don't basketball players, baseball players and other sports teams suffer injuries? So, you need to make up your mind. Do we compensate them because they bring money into the University? Or do we compensate all sports participants because they risk injury?

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Also you think the NCAA isn't a business??


I think the NCAA is a business. And that is precisely why they resist paying athletes. So they can continue to make money. If they don't make money they don't stay in business.

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Also, going to uga doesn't cost 150k.


University of Georgia domestic tuition

US$ 28,472 (2013)
Multiply that by four and see what you get.
$113,888. Now add in room and board and that and that runs about $28,000 for four years, you are realistically talking about $141,000.

As for your argument that most would get financial assistance? I would counter that MOST would not even go to college if it were not for football and their scholarships.
As for the HOPE Scholarship....how many of them do you think would qualify for it? Not many would be able to keep a "B" average, so they would lose it immediately.

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So all you guys acting like the scholarship is payment enough for bringing in millions is just stupid, especially when a school is recruiting a guy to come in and play football, not for their academics.



This is true...but the academics is there for the students benefit. that is the payment the student gets for playing football. That is like saying a business hires someone to work not to get paid. That is true...the pay is the benefit of doing what the business wants.

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if you have any fun and get caught, you could get screwed over in your football career, which is why you are coming to uga in the first place (marshall, mett, crowell)


Seriously? you are going to use two sexual deviants and a thief to make your point? In your world we should have turned a blind eye to what they did?
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41731 posts
Posted on 1/20/14 at 10:43 am to
DawgsLife pretty much covered everything (thanks, DL), so I'll just add my $0.02.

As DL said, the issue was about players bringing in money, not whether they get injured (not every player gets injured, btw) or how hard they work (they work hard physically but other students sacrifice their time and energy in other ways to pay for school or to keep their grades where they need to be). The players know the risks. They play football at a university for a shot at millions in the NFL or at least a degree that costs them nothing out-of-pocket that will help them out in life (hopefully) in exchange for playing a sport that they love to play.

The NCAA is officially a non-profit organization, so if they operated exactly like a for-profit business, the IRS would be seeking a lot of money from them. I don't agree with a lot of what the NCAA does, but they are responsible for a lot of money flowing into universities that may not go there otherwise. Some reformation is definitely needed, but I don't think paying players is a necessary step to that end.

Going to UGA (or any big university) does cost a lot of money and most students don't/can't get scholarships of any kind that help them pay for their education. Most students get student loans and wind up spending the next 20 years after graduation paying that off; something I'm doing, myself. Football players with a business degree may have been on equal footing with me when we graduated, but I left with a lot of debt where they were Scot-free in that regard. That, in and of itself, is a major blessing that many of those players won't fully appreciate.

A scholarship is enough, IMO, for the money the players bring to the universities. Those, by themselves, are worth a lot of money, and the players earn them by working hard on the field. But on top of that, attending the university gives them an opportunity to take their talents to the next level. Playing for UGA, for instance, gives NFL scouts a lot more visibility into the skills of the players and increases their chances of being drafted or making a team where they can make millions a year (something that I doubt I'll ever do). That chance alone is worth it, isn't it? It is to those kids. Even if they aren't quite good enough to play football professionally, their "fall back" is an education and degree from the university and connections that will help them get moving in the right direction. My degree didn't come with sweet connections and no one was willing to give me a shot over someone else because they didn't know my name and I didn't play football at their alma mater.

Also, coaches and assistants are paid the same way teachers and presidents (of universities) are paid. They are hired by the university to get the most out of the students/athletes and to improve the standing of the university. Their "compensation" is money and benefits for their work for the university. The "compensation" for the players is development, knowledge, a degree (if they stay), and opportunities that many kids don't get.

Finally, say what you want about our standards at UGA, but we haven't been hurting with recruits and most of the kids on our teams have obeyed the rules (or at least not got caught). I think that says more about JHC than our program. He's got the opportunity to make something of himself. He just has to do his part like everyone else.
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