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re: Those of you who are calling for JHC's head....
Posted on 1/19/14 at 7:55 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 1/19/14 at 7:55 pm to FooManChoo
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lol ok, UGA and like 3 other programs bring in a profit. I'm talking about ALL OF COLLEGE ATHLETICS, not just UGA. Even our profits would disappear immediately if we started paying athletes.
Nice try, but more than 4 schools makes a profit. So what if the profits disapper (which it would not disappear, decrease yes, disappear no)? Are the fans buying tickets or watching on tv, etc, paying to watch the schools buildings or watch the schools players? Exactly, you gotta remember who is making the profit, the players!
Look what they did to Richard Samuel, who knows, he coulda been a hella line backer. He was in hs, but got bent over pretty good by our idiotic coaches and never got to stick to a spot and could even say he got screwed out of an NFL career. So what? Well most students going to a big time program, highly rated out of hs, go there intending to make it to the nfl where they get the fruits of their hard work. Well Samuel thought this going to uga, but got switched back and forth from O to D like a light switch, which ended up with him not being properly developed and not making it in the NFL. Like I said, he earned a scholarship like other non-athletes students can, but put it much more work along with school work, to get rewarded with hardly anything monetary wise. It just doesnt seem fair to me. Sorry I want these guys, these DGD to get a better treatment for what they put in for us, the fans and university. I think they can deserve more than what they get, and their slice of the pie should be much bigger, but then again that would make the NCAA's smaller.
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Posted on 1/19/14 at 7:59 pm to dawgsjw
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Like I said, he earned a scholarship like other non-athletes students can, but put it much more work along with school work, to get rewarded with hardly anything monetary wise.
This is where I disagree with you.
The non-athlete academic scholarship students take classes that are actually difficult and require 60 hours a week being a student. Athletes, for the most part, not all but most, major in programs specifically designed for athletes, like "Sports Management" or "Family Development".
Their degrees are worthless.... yes... so I agree with your larger point.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 8:06 pm to dawgsjw
Also, these universities and the NCAA is a business. To think otherwise is asinine. So why shouldn't the players get paid like anyone else who works for a business?
I know this can tread on slippery slopes, but if your department makes an actual net gain then a certain percentage should be divided up amongst the scholarship players and then the non scholarship players. Not too difficult. Its our capitalism in motion. It will motive other departments, baseball, basketball, etc to make their shite more efficient and try to bring in more revenue when the player can get an actual cut of the pie.
I know this can tread on slippery slopes, but if your department makes an actual net gain then a certain percentage should be divided up amongst the scholarship players and then the non scholarship players. Not too difficult. Its our capitalism in motion. It will motive other departments, baseball, basketball, etc to make their shite more efficient and try to bring in more revenue when the player can get an actual cut of the pie.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 8:30 pm to dawgsjw
Only a handful of universities break even or even make a profit off of the athletic department. 10%, according to the latest data. You have to consider more than the frugle UGA AD department. We chide them all the time for this. ( Link 1, Link 2, Link 3)
The players won't be making any profits; they would be subsidized from the increased tuition paid by those not fortunate enough to be good at football. Even those universities who manage to make profits (with only a few exceptions) still take money from student tuition and other university subsidies.
Regardless of what happened to Richard Samuel (he could have transferred if he thought he wasn't getting a fair shake, like many players do), he still got an education at UGA. Most players don't make it to the NFL, anyway, and if he had the skill (regardless of what we did with him on the field), he could have walked-on with a pro team. Even if he didn't get developed like YOU think he should have, that's what happens. He still could have gone elsewhere.
These players make upwards of $125,000 a year in scholarships, per diem, housing, food, tutoring, swag from bowl games, and the contacts they make are priceless. They also (typically) don't have to work as hard academically to make grades as those who don't have athletic scholarships. Is it "fair" that a kid works his way through school (without a scholarship), stays up late studying every night, and busts his butt every day for 4 years to get an education and then has to compete for jobs with thousands others with the same degree who graduated at the same time without the same contacts that these athletes have? Maybe grad students who contribute towards studies that get grants for the school should get paid, as well.
The players won't be making any profits; they would be subsidized from the increased tuition paid by those not fortunate enough to be good at football. Even those universities who manage to make profits (with only a few exceptions) still take money from student tuition and other university subsidies.
Regardless of what happened to Richard Samuel (he could have transferred if he thought he wasn't getting a fair shake, like many players do), he still got an education at UGA. Most players don't make it to the NFL, anyway, and if he had the skill (regardless of what we did with him on the field), he could have walked-on with a pro team. Even if he didn't get developed like YOU think he should have, that's what happens. He still could have gone elsewhere.
These players make upwards of $125,000 a year in scholarships, per diem, housing, food, tutoring, swag from bowl games, and the contacts they make are priceless. They also (typically) don't have to work as hard academically to make grades as those who don't have athletic scholarships. Is it "fair" that a kid works his way through school (without a scholarship), stays up late studying every night, and busts his butt every day for 4 years to get an education and then has to compete for jobs with thousands others with the same degree who graduated at the same time without the same contacts that these athletes have? Maybe grad students who contribute towards studies that get grants for the school should get paid, as well.
Posted on 1/20/14 at 7:32 am to dawgsjw
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Look what they did to Richard Samuel,
For every Richard Samuel there are a dozen kids that nobody heard of that gets developed into a very good football player....some play in the NFL. But that is not the primary responsibility of a college. The primary responsibility is to give them an education so they can be successful outside of sports. If they make it in sports as professionals, that is gravy.
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which ended up with him not being properly developed and not making it in the NFL.
Had he stayed as a LB, there is still no guarantee that he would have made it in the NFL.
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I think they can deserve more than what they get, and their slice of the pie should be much bigger, but then again that would make the NCAA's smaller.
I don't think you fully understand how the NCAA makes and distributes money. Here is an article:
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