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re: UNC Admits Academic Fraud: Lack Of Institutional Controls, *NCAA Issues 3rd NOA
Posted on 4/25/16 at 11:33 am to CockInYourEar
Posted on 4/25/16 at 11:33 am to CockInYourEar
It's about time ... I was really beginning to think that they were going to walk-away scott free on all of this - and they still might - but this gives one hope that perhaps there is justice in the world.
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Posted on 4/25/16 at 3:16 pm to scrooster
Nope, to me it looks like UNC is going to slide right on by. They removed all references to the football and men's basketball programs, which the initial NOA made references to. That's clear scrubbing by the NCAA IMO that will allow Roy Williams and the MBB program to slip right by, and there'll be only trivial sanctions like losing a single scholarship for 2 yrs or something like that.
Some lower-level employees within the student-athlete academic advisory and counseling departments will lose their jobs, and life will carry on.....
Some lower-level employees within the student-athlete academic advisory and counseling departments will lose their jobs, and life will carry on.....
Posted on 4/25/16 at 3:47 pm to ConwayGamecock
It's complete bullshite. They totally scrubbed it of any implication towards the football and men's basketball programs. There are five (5) Allegations within the amended Notice of Allegations.
Allegation #1: involves Jan Boxill in the scope of providing impermissible benefits to the women's basketball program, and ONLY that program.
Allegation #2: involves Deborah Crowder of the phony AFAM department, and her refusal to cooperate in providing information to the NCAA in their investigation.
Allegation #3: involves Dr. Julius Nyang'oro who headed the AFAM Department, and his refusal to cooperate in providing information to the NCAA in their investigation.
Allegation #4: involves "individuals in the athletics and academic administrations on campus, particularly in the college of arts and sciences" did not properly monitor and document the AFAM Department regarding course for UNC students and student-athletes. Jan Boxill is also brought up a 2nd time here, again regarding the and ONLY the women's basketball program.
The scope for this alleged improper monitoring and documenting involves a timeline "from the beginning of the 2005 fall semester and continuing through the 2011 summer semester", even though documentation from the Weinstein Report clearly shows the improprieties took place well back to the 1990s.
Allegation #5: involves the UNC institution itself, where it charges the institution " violated the NCAA Principle of Institutional Control and Responsibility" in reference to Allegations #1 and #4.
All allegations are deemed Level I, or the highest violation under the NCAA code. But again, the amended NOA was totally scrubbed of ANY involvement or wrong-doing of ANY high-level employees or staff (head coaches, student-athlete academic guidance counselors, etc.) within the UNC FB or MBB programs, even though Weinstein compiled reams of emails, texts, and other interdepartmental correspondence clearly showing knowledge and involvement in the scam dating back to the Dean Smith days.
From the allegations, all I can see the NCAA doing is: destroying Silvia Hatchell's career and re-booting the WBB program, terminating certain employees within various academic departments (Boxill, Crowder, and Nyang'oro are no longer employed by UNC anyways), and then some other sanctions that ultimately will be more sound than fury.
And this pathetic circus comes to an end....
Amended NOA, PDF Format
Allegation #1: involves Jan Boxill in the scope of providing impermissible benefits to the women's basketball program, and ONLY that program.
Allegation #2: involves Deborah Crowder of the phony AFAM department, and her refusal to cooperate in providing information to the NCAA in their investigation.
Allegation #3: involves Dr. Julius Nyang'oro who headed the AFAM Department, and his refusal to cooperate in providing information to the NCAA in their investigation.
Allegation #4: involves "individuals in the athletics and academic administrations on campus, particularly in the college of arts and sciences" did not properly monitor and document the AFAM Department regarding course for UNC students and student-athletes. Jan Boxill is also brought up a 2nd time here, again regarding the and ONLY the women's basketball program.
The scope for this alleged improper monitoring and documenting involves a timeline "from the beginning of the 2005 fall semester and continuing through the 2011 summer semester", even though documentation from the Weinstein Report clearly shows the improprieties took place well back to the 1990s.
Allegation #5: involves the UNC institution itself, where it charges the institution " violated the NCAA Principle of Institutional Control and Responsibility" in reference to Allegations #1 and #4.
All allegations are deemed Level I, or the highest violation under the NCAA code. But again, the amended NOA was totally scrubbed of ANY involvement or wrong-doing of ANY high-level employees or staff (head coaches, student-athlete academic guidance counselors, etc.) within the UNC FB or MBB programs, even though Weinstein compiled reams of emails, texts, and other interdepartmental correspondence clearly showing knowledge and involvement in the scam dating back to the Dean Smith days.
From the allegations, all I can see the NCAA doing is: destroying Silvia Hatchell's career and re-booting the WBB program, terminating certain employees within various academic departments (Boxill, Crowder, and Nyang'oro are no longer employed by UNC anyways), and then some other sanctions that ultimately will be more sound than fury.
And this pathetic circus comes to an end....
Amended NOA, PDF Format
This post was edited on 4/25/16 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 4/25/16 at 3:48 pm to ConwayGamecock
They didn't add to the charges, they amended the NOA....they removed men's bball and football from the NOA (unc is reporting.)
wow......
I would encourage people to not get upset about what's transpired. If anything, unc just tested the waters for everyone and showed that the NCAA won't give severe punishment consideration for thousands of student-athletes taking fake courses or getting fake degrees. If you do get busted, just make sure you have some men's ping-pong players that you can point at for the sacrificial lamb.
The precedent is set now. I'm looking forward to a massive jump in our APR across the board this year and year's to come, from our self paced "Social Media Leadership" courses, or whatever we make up.
wow......
I would encourage people to not get upset about what's transpired. If anything, unc just tested the waters for everyone and showed that the NCAA won't give severe punishment consideration for thousands of student-athletes taking fake courses or getting fake degrees. If you do get busted, just make sure you have some men's ping-pong players that you can point at for the sacrificial lamb.
The precedent is set now. I'm looking forward to a massive jump in our APR across the board this year and year's to come, from our self paced "Social Media Leadership" courses, or whatever we make up.
Posted on 4/25/16 at 4:42 pm to ConwayGamecock
That's really a shame ... really a shame, and a sham, if they get to slide by on this.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 1:12 pm to CockInYourEar
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The precedent is set now.
until the NCAA balks again for a sacred cow.
I am not surprised by the NCAA completely letting north carolina basketball off the hook for what the Wainstein Report clearly concluded was systematic academic fraud all the way back to 1988.
HBCU Morehouse's SDR from July 15, 2015. https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Morehouse%20Public%20Decision_20150715.pdf
....due to the institution's failure to properly certify student-athletes' eligibility in two areas: (1) continuing eligibility (progress-toward-degree requirements); and (2) good academic standing.
apparently semantics in the 2nd NOA for NoCar played a huge role in the NCAA's differentiating Morehouse's & Lily-white NoCar regarding each institution's ability to monitor their student-athletes.
Morehouse got tagged for 3 years probation across 5 sports.
****Meanwhile - NOBODY from the NCAA or elsewhere has even spoke to a more-than-willing Rashard McCants about his time at NoCar.
This post was edited on 4/26/16 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 4/26/16 at 2:08 pm to 1801
Saw this on another site. Apparently, men's bball and football are STILL IN THE NOA. The UNC PR machine is just putting out there that they aren't named anymore. Those weasely bastards.....
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See PG 1 of the Amended NOA: " Please note that the policies and procedures outlined in the May 20, 2015, notice of allegations and corresponding cover letter still apply."
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So football and MBB are still mentioned there on pg 49 of the 5/15/15 NOA and are still applicable. See Page 49 of the May 15, 2015 NOA attached below:
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This ANOA does add a few interesting things. 1) failure to cooperate. 2) repeat offender. It brings up the 2012 infractions.
"A history of Level I, Level II or major violations by the institution, sport program(s) or involved individual [Bylaw 19.9.3-(b" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noreferrer">. They include: March 12, 2012 – Violations of NCAA legislation regarding academic fraud, impermissible benefits, impermissible participation, unethical conduct, failure to monitor, preferential treatment, failure to cooperate and failure to report outside income"
The rumors floating around this past weekend and late last week that the Amended NOA were reaching back to 1989 for MBB were just rumors.
This post was edited on 4/26/16 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 4/26/16 at 2:13 pm to CockInYourEar
Well good!
lol ... this dang thing is up and down, up and down.
I just wish they would lower the boom, bring down the hammer, on UNC. Strip them of titles, hit them with heavy sanctions, take away a ton of scholarships.
Do it before Seventh Woods enrolls if possible.
lol ... this dang thing is up and down, up and down.
I just wish they would lower the boom, bring down the hammer, on UNC. Strip them of titles, hit them with heavy sanctions, take away a ton of scholarships.
Do it before Seventh Woods enrolls if possible.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 3:09 pm to CockInYourEar
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CockInYourEar
that is good to see. here's hoping something sticks out of all of this on their rogue men's hoops. would love to see a show-cause on huckleberry roy. maybe he can buy more suits for his "graduating" seniors/early nba entrants like he did at kansass, landing them on probation.
'ol roy ought to be a repeat offender with his gratuitous and informed actions while bolting for chapel hell.
Kansass circa 2005 - This is the second time in 18 years that the Kansas basketball program has run afoul of the NCAA. Following its 1988 national championship under coach Larry Brown (North Carolina Alum), the school was barred from postseason play because of illegal benefits given to players.
This time, the violations included a booster giving more than $5,000 in benefits to two basketball players and their families. One player received the majority of the benefits before and after he attended the university.
The NCAA report said other boosters gave graduation gifts to outgoing players, a fact that individuals within the athletic department were aware of, including former basketball coach Roy Williams.
Posted on 5/27/16 at 4:26 pm to 1801
Now that Ole Miss and Baylor are in the dog house, may provide enough cover to let UNcheats slide.
Posted on 7/21/16 at 6:02 pm to Cheese Grits
Have not been paying attention but guessing UNCheats is not getting hammered.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 7:32 am to Cheese Grits
They'll hit Women's basketball..
But who the hell cares about Women's basketball?
But who the hell cares about Women's basketball?
Posted on 7/22/16 at 8:00 am to Cheese Grits
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Have not been paying attention but guessing UNCheats is not getting hammered.
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article91013587.html
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On Monday, UNC-Chapel Hill will produce a written response to the five major allegations the NCAA’s enforcement division filed in its investigation of the long-running academic-athletic scandal. It’s not expected to be made public for several more days.
Like all NCAA investigations, it is a case that is being conducted behind closed doors. But UNC’s response to charges surrounding the system of classes advertised as lectures that never met and provided good grades should shed more light on how the NCAA views the case and how UNC is defending itself.
Here are six things to look for in UNC’s response:
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1. How is UNC describing the fake classes to the NCAA?
UNC has described the classes in various reports as “anomalous,” “aberrant” or “irregular,” but not “fraudulent.” This is important because the NCAA has a bylaw that bars anyone at a university from arranging “fraudulent” academic credit.
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2. Will UNC again contend that all students had equal access to the classes?
NCAA officials initially balked at investigating the scandal, saying it was unclear if the classes were largely created to help athletes stay eligible. The NCAA jumped in as Kenneth Wainstein’s investigation began showing close connections between Crowder and the Academic Support Program for Student-Athletes. The NCAA told UNC in the notice that athletes had “increased exposure” to the classes, which helped trigger the charge of lack of institutional control.
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3. Who will UNC identify as guilty parties, and how were those people handled?
The NCAA has asked UNC to report any punitive actions, and any disciplinary actions against former or current athletics staff.
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4. How does UNC respond to exhibits in the notice that cast men’s basketball and football in a bad light?
One is an email exchange between Crowder and the former counselor for men’s basketball, Wayne Walden, in which he’s seeking a safe class for an athlete with learning disabilities. The other is a PowerPoint presentation for football coaches that warns them of the loss of Crowder’s classes. Both were unearthed in Wainstein’s investigation, and are now being used to support the allegations of failure to monitor and lack of institutional control.
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5. Will UNC offer any help to Jan Boxill?
(nope, she's the sacrificial ram)
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6) Will there be signs of a settlement?
This is the second notice of allegations the NCAA sent to UNC in the case, and it appears more lenient than the first. The second notice dropped a specific mention of football and men’s basketball – the two sports that had the highest use of the fake classes – and limited its reach regarding the classes to a six-year-period that begins in the fall of 2005.
UNC could accept the findings and negotiate penalties that the NCAA’s Committee on Infractions might agree to without conducting a hearing, a process known as a summary disposition. Boxill would also have to consent to the process.
In 2011, UNC accepted the NCAA’s findings with the football program and offered to self impose penalties, but the case did not go to a summary disposition. The committee came down harder than what UNC had hoped, adding a one-year bowl ban to the fine, loss of scholarships, probation and vacated victories that UNC had proposed.
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 8:04 am
Posted on 7/25/16 at 7:39 am to CockInYourEar
Of course this happens....tarholes get an extension, new deadline to respond is Aug 1st. Like they didn't have enough time over the past 3 years.....seriously?!?!?
https://www.tarheelblog.com/unc-tar-heels-news-links/2016/7/23/12262732/unc-tar-heels-news-noa-extension-des-lawrence-crystal-dunn-larry-fedora
https://www.tarheelblog.com/unc-tar-heels-news-links/2016/7/23/12262732/unc-tar-heels-news-noa-extension-des-lawrence-crystal-dunn-larry-fedora
Posted on 7/25/16 at 7:43 am to CockInYourEar
Also I wanted to point out that SC is 7-2 vs unc since 1980, with unc's last win coming in 1991. There are no college recruits or players who were alive the last time unc beat SC in football. We don't play unc again until 2019 in Charlotte.
Posted on 7/25/16 at 12:07 pm to CockInYourEar
I honestly couldn't care less about their football program.
In my lifetime they've been shite and from knowing a lot of Grads they really don't care about it.
It's really not all that fun beating them because the smack back to them is pretty lame, they just don't watch it.
shite I know a handful that weren't even watching the ACC title game because Basketball season had begun.
Can't blame em, I rarely pay attention to anything but Football.
In my lifetime they've been shite and from knowing a lot of Grads they really don't care about it.
It's really not all that fun beating them because the smack back to them is pretty lame, they just don't watch it.
shite I know a handful that weren't even watching the ACC title game because Basketball season had begun.
Can't blame em, I rarely pay attention to anything but Football.
Posted on 7/25/16 at 1:20 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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In my lifetime they've been shite and from knowing a lot of Grads they really don't care about it.
It's really not all that fun beating them because the smack back to them is pretty lame, they just don't watch it.
I'm in Charlotte, work with several, live by many, and have a good bit of them in my social circles. So my experience was different leading up to that game last year. In my circles, they were all very confident they would beat us. Then after the game, they were similar to georgia fans in that the discussion around the office was all about how they beat themselves. Their vibrato increased as the season went on and they won more games. I had one of them tell me this summer that we're lucky we don't play them this year (that's why I knew that stat about 1980 to now, I looked it up so I could tell him about it.)
They do have a great number of fairweather football fans, but they also have their die hards.
Posted on 7/25/16 at 6:11 pm to CockInYourEar
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I'm in Charlotte,
Probably the difference right there.
It is A LOT tougher to get into UNC out of state. So these grads I work with are actually intelligent.
Didn't act at all how you said, and I actually stay close with them being a southern school grad in a large city/business where most are top Tier or Ivy League grads.
This post was edited on 7/25/16 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 8/2/16 at 2:59 pm to I Bleed Garnet
Cheaters have responded to the NOA
https://3qh929iorux3fdpl532k03kg.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/ANOAExecutive-Summary-080216.pdf
holy crap....they are basically arguing that the NCAA has no authority to review their academic standards/practices....this really is going to be the 'essential existence' case of the NCAA.
If the NCAA rolls over and gives unc a pass, the NCAA will set a precedent that they really can't monitor academic standards for a college/university. I think certain universities will challenge recruiting-academic qualifying rules too, since the NCAA would then not have authority on any academic matters. If the NCAA does drop the hammer on unc, then they'll be showing their power/hand on anyone else who commits academic fraud/lack of institutional controls.
The NCAA has been doing a lot of commercials promoting their care for the "student-athlete." It's time to see if that was just full of bulls**t or not. "Prioritizing Academics." we'll see.
https://www.ispot.tv/ad/A1i3/ncaa-college-sports-psa-featuring-billie-jean-king
https://3qh929iorux3fdpl532k03kg.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/ANOAExecutive-Summary-080216.pdf
holy crap....they are basically arguing that the NCAA has no authority to review their academic standards/practices....this really is going to be the 'essential existence' case of the NCAA.
If the NCAA rolls over and gives unc a pass, the NCAA will set a precedent that they really can't monitor academic standards for a college/university. I think certain universities will challenge recruiting-academic qualifying rules too, since the NCAA would then not have authority on any academic matters. If the NCAA does drop the hammer on unc, then they'll be showing their power/hand on anyone else who commits academic fraud/lack of institutional controls.
The NCAA has been doing a lot of commercials promoting their care for the "student-athlete." It's time to see if that was just full of bulls**t or not. "Prioritizing Academics." we'll see.
https://www.ispot.tv/ad/A1i3/ncaa-college-sports-psa-featuring-billie-jean-king
This post was edited on 8/2/16 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 8/2/16 at 4:14 pm to CockInYourEar
Lets just give all football and basketball players free passes.
We all know they aren't here for school anyway.
We all know they aren't here for school anyway.
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