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Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:57 pm to RBWilliams8
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Take away all those turn overs, and LSU points, and LSU sacks y'all totally won that game...
Yeah, if you also take away the coach and jerseys that only gives A&M 1 loss and likely a BCS OVER Alabama for obvious reasons.
If LSU doesn't have a team, A&M likely wins this year too fwiw.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:57 pm to Roger Klarvin
Nice try, Plato. How about you quote my entire post rather than just part of it and respond appropriately, crusher of all arguments.
How many combined points did Auburn lose by in their losses? It seems you'd rather crutch yourself and judge everything by statistics, but when that falls short, blame intangibles and abstract concepts. You keep "playing chess" to 3rd place finishes and Cotton Bowl victories while everyone else plays checkers to national championships.
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So what happened statistically in those games yall lost? Did stats help you then? Or do you want to flip flop between stats and intangibles as you see fit?
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Florida was Manziel's first ever college game and Sumlin's first ever game at A&M. Manziel, like anyone making their first start, looked uncomfortable passing and we lost by three.
Against LSU, we had four unforced turnovers, lost the TO battle 5-0 and lost by 5.
Neither game produced great stats because of the above factors. And yet with all those factors we lose those games by a combined 8 points.
I really don't see what is complex about it.
How many combined points did Auburn lose by in their losses? It seems you'd rather crutch yourself and judge everything by statistics, but when that falls short, blame intangibles and abstract concepts. You keep "playing chess" to 3rd place finishes and Cotton Bowl victories while everyone else plays checkers to national championships.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:57 pm to Roger Klarvin
Half of your arguments are are subjective. So if ULM's defense is ranked ahead of A&M does that mean they are better than you against the run or is it the teams they play in their sorry conference have shitty rushing offenses.
This post was edited on 7/25/13 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:58 pm to Swoopin
Boom
Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:58 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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You're responsible for putting an NFL team together. You can choose either JFF or Cam, which one is it?
I don't believe either is a championship caliber NFL QB, Cam due to accuracy/pure dropback ability and Manziel due to size and potentially personal issues. I'd pick Aaron Murray over either for the NFL.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:58 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Two awesome pictures
Sadly you don't see the irony of Cam holding the crystal ball that represents the highest team achievement while JFF isn't anywhere near a team hang because he's too busy doing his own stupid arse JFF shite that he's been doing.
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Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:59 pm to Roger Klarvin
One is better than the other.
Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:59 pm to Roger Klarvin
By the way you are right about one not being a championship QB.
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Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:59 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Cam due to accuracy/pure dropback ability
set the rookie record for completion percentage IIRC
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:00 am to Swoopin
You asked what happened in our losses, I answered. If you didn't like the answer, ask a better question.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:02 am to Roger Klarvin
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I just get frustrated when stats, reason and logic are thrown out the window in favor of tradition, hindsight and bias.
I've crushed every single argument presented in this thread with facts and statistics and it is simply being ignored in favor of "well you weren't THERE so you don't know"? It's like arguing with six year olds.
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I'm not rustled so much as I am shocked. The arguments being presented in this thread are dismissed easily with two minutes and access to google. I'm surprised nobody posting all this nonsense thinks someone would check them.
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So what happened statistically in those games yall lost? Did stats help you then? Or do you want to flip flop between stats and intangibles as you see fit?
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Florida was Manziel's first ever college game and Sumlin's first ever game at A&M. Manziel, like anyone making their first start, looked uncomfortable passing and we lost by three. Against LSU, we had four unforced turnovers, lost the TO battle 5-0 and lost by 5. Neither game produced great stats because of the above factors. And yet with all those factors we lose those games by a combined 8 points. I really don't see what is complex about it.
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You asked what happened in our losses If you didn't like the answer, ask a better question.
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So what happened statistically in those games yall lost? Did stats help you then? Or do you want to flip flop between stats and intangibles as you see fit?
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Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:04 am to PortCityTiger82
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So if ULM's defense is ranked ahead of A&M does that mean they are better than you against the run or is it the teams they play in their sorry conference have shitty rushing offenses.
Impossible to know unless they played, but I'm also not the one who brought up rush defense with regards to that game. I simply said I've seen QBs/RBs do what he did multiple times every year I've been a fan.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:06 am to Roger Klarvin
Alright Mr. Stat based, let's put up or shut up
Passing State
Vs. AP Ranked Teams
YPG COMP PCT Y/A TD INT QB Rating
JFF- 247.3 YPG 64.9 Comp% 6.5 YPA 4 TD 4 INT 146.67 QB Rating
Cam- 190.9 YPG 63.8 Comp% 8.8 YPA 14 TD 2 INT 190.9 QB Rating
Vs SEC Teams
JFF- 286.1 YPG 70.4 Comp% 8.1 YPA 11 TD 6 INT 146.67 QB Rating
Cam- 182 YPG 67.4 Comp % 9.2 YPA 16 TD 3 INT 171.01 QB Rating
VS FBS Winning Teams
YPG COMP PCT Y/A TD INT QB Rating
JFF- 272.5 YPG 65.4 COMP % 7.5 YPA 12 TD 7 INT 137.62 QB Rating
CAM- 190.9 YPG 63.8 COMP % 8.8 YPA 14 TD 2 INT 165.42 QB Rating
Where it really fricking matters
In Losses
YPG COMP PCT Y/A TD INT QB Rating
JFF- 224.5 YPG 60.5 Comp % 5.2 YPA 0 TD 3 INT 97.35 QB Rating
CAM NEWTON DIDN"T frickING LOSE
Comparing games that matter
Yes, Manziel may throw for more yards and a few more TDs but he throws more INTs, does not throw downfield as much as indicated by YPA, and has a QB Rating consistently 30-50 points lower than Cam Newton's. He disappears in big games, especially games he loses.
Passing State
Vs. AP Ranked Teams
YPG COMP PCT Y/A TD INT QB Rating
JFF- 247.3 YPG 64.9 Comp% 6.5 YPA 4 TD 4 INT 146.67 QB Rating
Cam- 190.9 YPG 63.8 Comp% 8.8 YPA 14 TD 2 INT 190.9 QB Rating
Vs SEC Teams
JFF- 286.1 YPG 70.4 Comp% 8.1 YPA 11 TD 6 INT 146.67 QB Rating
Cam- 182 YPG 67.4 Comp % 9.2 YPA 16 TD 3 INT 171.01 QB Rating
VS FBS Winning Teams
YPG COMP PCT Y/A TD INT QB Rating
JFF- 272.5 YPG 65.4 COMP % 7.5 YPA 12 TD 7 INT 137.62 QB Rating
CAM- 190.9 YPG 63.8 COMP % 8.8 YPA 14 TD 2 INT 165.42 QB Rating
Where it really fricking matters
In Losses
YPG COMP PCT Y/A TD INT QB Rating
JFF- 224.5 YPG 60.5 Comp % 5.2 YPA 0 TD 3 INT 97.35 QB Rating
CAM NEWTON DIDN"T frickING LOSE
Comparing games that matter
Yes, Manziel may throw for more yards and a few more TDs but he throws more INTs, does not throw downfield as much as indicated by YPA, and has a QB Rating consistently 30-50 points lower than Cam Newton's. He disappears in big games, especially games he loses.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:07 am to Roger Klarvin
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Florida was Manziel's first ever college game and Sumlin's first ever game at A&M. Manziel, like anyone making their first start, looked uncomfortable passing and we lost by three. Against LSU, we had four unforced turnovers, lost the TO battle 5-0 and lost by 5. Neither game produced great stats because of the above factors. And yet with all those factors we lose those games by a combined 8 points.
For fricks sakes we get it, manziel can't lead his team to victory under dire circumstances. Newton could. Thank you for clearing that up.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:07 am to GenesChin
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YPG COMP PCT Y/A TD INT QB Rating JFF- 224.5 YPG 60.5 Comp % 5.2 YPA 0 TD 3 INT 97.35 QB Rating CAM NEWTON DIDN"T frickING LOSE
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:07 am to Swoopin
quote:That is certainly boomage material.
How many combined points did Auburn lose by in their losses? It seems you'd rather crutch yourself and judge everything by statistics, but when that falls short, blame intangibles and abstract concepts. You keep "playing chess" to 3rd place finishes and Cotton Bowl victories while everyone else plays checkers to national championships.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:08 am to flyAU
aTm has always been a sleeping giant. I guess that just makes Auburn a sleepy one.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:08 am to TTsTowel
Yes. I'm waiting for a police officer in college station to hold up a doll and ask klarvin to point to where swoopin touched him.
Posted on 7/26/13 at 12:09 am to Roger Klarvin
Your stats were wrong on LSU's rush defense in 2010. Where are you getting yours?
Here's mine.
LINK
Shows LSU w/ 1785 rushing yards allowed.
Auburn rushed for 440.
LINK
1785-440=1345/12=112.08, which would fall 12th based on the link provided, not 29th. Auburn bumped them from 12th to 42 in one game.
Here's mine.
LINK
Shows LSU w/ 1785 rushing yards allowed.
Auburn rushed for 440.
LINK
1785-440=1345/12=112.08, which would fall 12th based on the link provided, not 29th. Auburn bumped them from 12th to 42 in one game.
This post was edited on 7/26/13 at 12:10 am
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