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re: I don't understand the Heisman hypocrisy.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 11:39 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Posted on 12/9/10 at 11:39 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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It states in the rules to win, a player must be eligible. Reggie was ruled ineligible in his Heisman season.
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You are either eligible or your not. Cam is eligible Reggie was not.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 12:41 pm to fungomery
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Not sure why you mention OJ. OJ's actions occured after his college career (unless there's something I don't know about). Cannon took money before he completed his college career at LSU.
There is no evidence that Cannon was took money or even signed with an agent until after his final game had been played. Had he ever been declared ineligible he would not have gained induction into the College Football Hall of Fame. The problems the poster was referring to about Cannon was his involvement in the 1980's in a counterfieting scheme that landed him in federal prison for two years. Upon release he regained his license to practice dentistry and went to work for the La dept of corrections at the State penetentiary at Angola where he continues to work.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 12:48 pm to highcotton2
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You are either eligible or your not. Cam is eligible Reggie was not.
Reggie wasn't ruled ineligible until 5 years after his Heisman year. Cam has not been ruled "permanently" eligible since there is no such thing.
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"Based on the information available to the reinstatement staff at this time, we do not have sufficient evidence that Cam Newton or anyone from Auburn was aware of this activity, which led to his reinstatement," Kevin Lennon, NCAA vice president for academic and membership affairs, said in a news release.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 1:08 pm to RANDY44
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Not sure why you mention OJ. OJ's actions occured after his college career (unless there's something I don't know about). Cannon took money before he completed his college career at LSU.
There is no evidence that Cannon was took money or even signed with an agent until after his final game had been played. Had he ever been declared ineligible he would not have gained induction into the College Football Hall of Fame. The problems the poster was referring to about Cannon was his involvement in the 1980's in a counterfieting scheme that landed him in federal prison for two years. Upon release he regained his license to practice dentistry and went to work for the La dept of corrections at the State penetentiary at Angola where he continues to work.
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Thanks to 1960 California federal court records, it’s an acknowledged fact that Cannon fulfills the same criteria that the Heisman Trust used to, for all intents and purposes, revoke Bush’s award.
Cannon, who won the Heisman Trophy for his performance as a running back for LSU, was convicted in 1983 of masterminding a $6 million felony counterfeiting operation in Baton Rouge, La. He was sentenced to five years in prison and released in September 1987.
But it’s the matter of Cannon taking a $10,000 check from then-Los Angeles Rams General Manager Pete Rozelle, another $500 for travel expenses and signing a post-dated (Jan. 2, 1960) contract with the pro football club before he played in the 1960 Sugar Bowl that should preclude him from keeping the Heisman Trophy.
Rozelle testified under oath to a California federal court in June, 1960, that on Nov. 28, 1959, he called Cannon and offered him a contract with the Los Angeles Rams along with an immediate $10,000 bonus check.
The same court later concluded in its ruling that Rozelle had indeed signed Cannon to a professional contract before the LSU star’s final collegiate game, the Sugar Bowl contest against the University of Mississippi.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 1:16 pm to RollTigers
Bush was paid $290,000 from an agent, got someone else to negotiate his rookie contract, pissed the agent off, agent demand refund, Reggie refused to repay, agent got mad and snitched on Reggie.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 1:19 pm to fungomery
You might could make a case in favor of Cannon with the that when he signed the contract, the Heisman had already been awarded to him (if it had, don't know the dates), and that bowls were considered rewards back then, and didn't factor into National Championships, etc. They were an "extra game".
Bush's ineligibility covered his entire Heisman season.
Bush's ineligibility covered his entire Heisman season.
This post was edited on 12/9/10 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 12/9/10 at 1:21 pm to augrad00
I saw this on CFL Live the other day from Joe Tessitore, their Heisman guy. He said while the mission statement of the Heisman does have the word integrity in it, the ballots that are sent out to the voters do not. All it says is to vote for the best eligible player.
They pointed this out after having Bianchi do a phone interview for the show and gave his reasoning for not putting Cam on the ballot.
They pointed this out after having Bianchi do a phone interview for the show and gave his reasoning for not putting Cam on the ballot.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 1:25 pm to DvlsAdvocat
They should remove the words "with Integrity" from the criteria after they hand it to Cammy Cam.
It's obvious that that criteria either means nothing - either that, or the people who vote for the award have no clue what the word means.
It's obvious that that criteria either means nothing - either that, or the people who vote for the award have no clue what the word means.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 1:52 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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I still don't understand why a lot of people in the media keep citing that the award is for what you do on the field only, and no matter what Cam Newton was the best player on the field this year. Well, if that's the case then why doesn't Reggie Bush still have his? He was clearly the best player on the field then, but apparently integrity only comes into effect when it's on the agenda. God I can't for this kid to go away and get crushed in the NFL.
+100000000!!!
Posted on 12/9/10 at 2:09 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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I still don't understand why a lot of people in the media keep citing that the award is for what you do on the field only, and no matter what Cam Newton was the best player on the field this year. Well, if that's the case then why doesn't Reggie Bush still have his? He was clearly the best player on the field then, but apparently integrity only comes into effect when it's on the agenda. God I can't for this kid to go away and get crushed in the NFL.
You seem to forget that Cam is eligible according to the NCAA, and as of this moment, there is no proof that his family received benefits. Simply believing or hoping that his family received benefits is not enough to make him ineligible for the Heisman.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 2:13 pm to cameronml
if you shop,you nust stop.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 2:15 pm to cameronml
I laugh when people refer to the player being found "guilty" as if the NCAA has some strict procedural rules as does the court system. Emphasis on strict.
The NCAA can find whatever it wants, whenver it wants.
The NCAA can find whatever it wants, whenver it wants.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 2:16 pm to cameronml
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You seem to forget that Cam is eligible according to the NCAA, and as of this moment, there is no proof that his family received benefits. Simply believing or hoping that his family received benefits is not enough to make him ineligible for the Heisman.
Agree, but should he be found ineligible later it's going to be Reggie Bush all over again.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 2:16 pm to SDwhodat
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I laugh when people refer to the player being found "guilty" as if the NCAA has some strict procedural rules as does the court system. Emphasis on strict.
The NCAA can find whatever it wants, whenver it wants.
OK. The NCAA has found Cam "not guilty" as of right now. Therefore, as an eligible NCAA athlete, he is eligible to receive the Heisman.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 2:17 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
no where on the heisman ballot does it say ANYTHING ABOUT integrity...(spelling) joe tesitore had a ballot the other day and handed it to jesse palmer and said, show me where it says anything about integrity on it..jesse palmer looked at it and said, it doesnt..it just matters about elgibility..not integrity.. tessitore gives palmer a heisman ballot
Posted on 12/9/10 at 2:20 pm to Hook Em Horns
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no where on the heisman ballot does it say ANYTHING ABOUT integrity...(spelling) joe tesitore had a ballot the other day and handed it to jesse palmer and said, show me where it says anything about integrity on it..jesse palmer looked at it and said, it doesnt..it just matters about elgibility..not integrity
I like how the conversation is being steered from "These allegations are garbage, he's done absolutely nothing wrong" to "it doesn't matter if he has integrity"...
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This post was edited on 12/9/10 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 12/9/10 at 2:23 pm to Hook Em Horns
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no where on the heisman ballot
Nope, but this is from the Heisman trust.
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Heisman Trust Mission Statement The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work. The Heisman Trophy Trust ensures the continuation and integrity of this award. The Trust, furthermore, has a charitable mission to support amateur athletics and to provide greater opportunities to the youth of our country. Our goal through these charitable endeavors is for the Heisman Trophy to symbolize the fostering of a sense of community responsibility and service to our youth, especially those disadvantaged or afflicted. All assets of the Trust beyond the expense of maintaining the annual presentation of the Heisman Memorial Trophy are reserved for such charitable causes. The Trustees, who all serve pro bono, are guided by a devotion to college football and are committed to community service and the valued tradition which the Trophy represents.
Nothing will stop Cam from being the Heisman winner at this point. Technically, Bush never won the Heisman.
Posted on 12/9/10 at 2:31 pm to DvlsAdvocat
Cam's is the same as Bush's situation not the same as Billy Cannon. Those AU's are .
Posted on 12/9/10 at 4:27 pm to Born to be a Tiger
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Cam's is the same as Bush's situation
How so?
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