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re: Since the transfer portal is out of control, what rule change would you make if you could?
Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:05 am to SwampyWaters
Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:05 am to SwampyWaters
It will eventually works itself out on its own. Because of lack loyalty to programs, the doners will feel less inclined to pony up.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:06 am to 3down10
I think if the team gives you NIL from their collective that should bound you in some way to that team for a period of time.
If you do leave all money will be returned to said collective.
If you do leave all money will be returned to said collective.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:08 am to nicholastiger
Pretty sure the NIL collective payments are at the beginning of each season. The kids who get packages as part of recruitment…yea, IDK. If you pay a QB 3 mil to come and he barely tries then transfers…better sneak out at night.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:13 am to SwampyWaters
If you transfer within a conference, sit out one year. If you transfer between conferences, no penalty but if you transfer a second time anywhere, you set out a year.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:14 am to Jake88
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Not to mention both your suggestions will be shot down in a court of law
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Why? They have a right to transfer schools, but nobody has a right to play football. They can be made to sit out a year or 4, 6, 8 games.
I like them sitting out a year...but with the caveat of that year not counting against their eligibility...since, they technically aren't eligible.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:32 am to madmaxvol
Two Year Scholarships (Currently 1 year). You can transfer after your 2nd and 4th year, plus when you graduate.
Everything can be done with contracts.
Everything can be done with contracts.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:56 am to 3down10
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No, the coaches can not just leave at any time. They are bound to their contract.
Oh Kalen Deboer didn't leave Washington while still under contract? Thats weird.
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. Alabama had to pay Washington like $12 million to buy him out of his contract.
In these coaches contracts, the coach also has a buy out if they want to fire him. Does a player that gets processed get a buy out too? Why give the school monetary protection but not the player?
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The schools are some what protected when it comes to the head coach.
I'm sure Washington feels wondeful about their $12M and feels like its fair compensation for their HC...
The only real solution imo would be the courts to uphold the 1 time transfer rule so kids can only bail once. The issue is that the courts have basically said the NCAA can't restrict players in any way so thats a moot point.
The only other suggestion I could see helping is that the NIL deals being required to come from a company that has an actual service or sells actual goods. No more collectives giving money to kids for nothing. It should also be required that there be some form of performance for the NIL deal. Whether that be an ad campaign or an autograph signing or whatever. Require actual businesses to pay players for their actual NIL.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:58 am to SwampyWaters
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what rule change would you make if you could?
Make students employees of the school. All the necessary changes that are going to have to be made flow from that.
...I guess that's technically not a rule change, though. In that case, bring back the one-year-sit-out rule for transfers. Trying to enforce that rule would wind up in the courts and hasten the change I mentioned above.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 8:58 am to Jake88
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Why? They have a right to transfer schools, but nobody has a right to play football. They can be made to sit out a year or 4, 6, 8 games.
The NCAA tried to enforce their 1 time transfer rule in basketball this year and make kids transferring a second time sit out. The courts ruled against them and all second time transfers became eligible immediately. The courts already decided, no limiting transfers.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 12:56 pm to nicholastiger
quote:In the form of Dodge Chargers? How in the world are you going to get your money back? With that being said, this is the answer that in a perfect world would be the best solution. But we’re dealing with teenagers.
If you do leave all money will be returned to said collective.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 1:38 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Oh Kalen Deboer didn't leave Washington while still under contract? Thats weird.
No, he did not.
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In these coaches contracts, the coach also has a buy out if they want to fire him. Does a player that gets processed get a buy out too? Why give the school monetary protection but not the player?
That's what the coaches get as incentive. It's just a form of guaranteed pay broken up over years instead of a lump sum.
Players are compensated with scholarships, coaching and other such things. It's completely voluntary, nobody forces them to do it. They do it because it is the best offer they are able to get. Other leagues do not want these players.
They are entitled to NOTHING.
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I'm sure Washington feels wondeful about their $12M and feels like its fair compensation for their HC...
Don't give a shite how they feel. Those were the terms they agreed to when they hired him.
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The only real solution imo would be the courts to uphold the 1 time transfer rule so kids can only bail once. The issue is that the courts have basically said the NCAA can't restrict players in any way so thats a moot point.
It's no surprise that things turn to shite when government gets involved. But it's obviously not a good ruling for the sport.
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The only other suggestion I could see helping is that the NIL deals being required to come from a company that has an actual service or sells actual goods. No more collectives giving money to kids for nothing. It should also be required that there be some form of performance for the NIL deal. Whether that be an ad campaign or an autograph signing or whatever. Require actual businesses to pay players for their actual NIL.
I agree fully with this.
I don't have a problem with legitimate NIL and I don't think most people do either. It's the fact that it's being used as a pay to play scheme that is the issue.
What you are saying is what things would be under existing booster rules. Why the NCAA didn't start out enforcing these rules before things got out of hand, I do not understand. But Tennessee is now in court trying to remove NCAA control over boosters.
They should have smacked Texas A&M down on day 1, and most of this could have been avoided. They did nothing and other schools were like...ok I guess we are doing collectives now.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 1:38 pm to SwampyWaters
Degree holders: no change
Non-degree holders: Must be at a school for 2 seasons before transferring
Non-degree holders: Must be at a school for 2 seasons before transferring
Posted on 3/12/24 at 2:13 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
The only leverage a school really has over athletes is to tie entrance and retention to academics.
The courts will shoot down almost any NCAA regulation these days. But IF a conference and its member schools agree to set an academic entrance standard and concrete progress towards degree with the accumulation of credit hours as part of eligibility, the court decisions may become a moot point.
The courts will shoot down almost any NCAA regulation these days. But IF a conference and its member schools agree to set an academic entrance standard and concrete progress towards degree with the accumulation of credit hours as part of eligibility, the court decisions may become a moot point.
This post was edited on 3/12/24 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 3/12/24 at 2:25 pm to RT1941
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The courts will shoot down almost any NCAA regulation these days. But IF a conference and its member schools agree to set an academic entrance standard and concrete progress towards degree with the accumulation of credit hours as part of eligibility, the court decisions may become a moot point.
A school raising required academic standards in 2024?
Posted on 3/12/24 at 2:33 pm to Rodo
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Student athletes must have completed one semester (minimum 12 hours) and be in good standing with the university to be eligible to compete.
Ding Ding Ding.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 4:11 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Not to mention both your suggestions will be shot down in a court of law.
Why would a court throw it out? If all the parties involved are aware of the rules up front and still sign, then that's on them. That's like agreeing to take a job making $2 an hour and then suing because he's not paying you $50,000 a year!
As for scheduling, you do know that most of the scheduling is done years in advance? It sounds like you think we should do absolutely nothing and everything will work out fine. Do you know anything about the history of the NCAA and what an absolute joke it has become and is the main reason we are now dealing with this situation?
Posted on 3/12/24 at 4:26 pm to SwampyWaters
1 free transfer before the start of your second year of school. 1 free transfer as a graduate. Otherwise you sit a year. You can sit out a year at your destination school or transfer down or sit a year at your current school.
For instance, you get Bamaed and they lied to you about the staff composition you can use your free transfer before stepping on campus or you can sit out a year at Bama and let them recruit you if you already used your free transfer, or you can sit somewhere else a year.
Another rule:
The late bloomer rule. If started in a G6 or lower school your 1st 2 years count as 1 year.
So you play a couple years at UCF and have 4 to play 3 at a P4 school.
For instance, you get Bamaed and they lied to you about the staff composition you can use your free transfer before stepping on campus or you can sit out a year at Bama and let them recruit you if you already used your free transfer, or you can sit somewhere else a year.
Another rule:
The late bloomer rule. If started in a G6 or lower school your 1st 2 years count as 1 year.
So you play a couple years at UCF and have 4 to play 3 at a P4 school.
Posted on 3/12/24 at 4:29 pm to SwampyWaters
Limit of one transfer into a D1 school
Posted on 3/12/24 at 4:46 pm to SwampyWaters
Every athlete in every sport is contracted. They receive a full ride for room, board and meals. The contract can be negotiated for 1 to 5 years. Any NIL money can be negotiated into that contract. If the contract is broken by either side then it's treated like any other contract with appropriate penalties. Athletes are representatives of the school and should be treated as contract employees.
If all of this happens then the portal crap is instantly much more under control in every sport. Athletes can still get paid. They just have to negotiate it into the contract.
If all of this happens then the portal crap is instantly much more under control in every sport. Athletes can still get paid. They just have to negotiate it into the contract.
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