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re: GA -16 vs Mizzu
Posted on 10/30/23 at 1:52 pm to meansonny
Posted on 10/30/23 at 1:52 pm to meansonny
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Kirby was a new coach. It is OK to say he effed it up and learned from it.
I've said exactly that. Many times. Whenever peopel act like he's infallible and immune to mistkaes that's the first thing I reference.
It's still laughable to try to go out of your way to avoid balming the OC for...the offense. I mean we all heap praise on Monken when it's elite so why do we excuse coley and blame kibry when it's awful? Macro level sure it's kirby's responsibilty but micro level, one specific game in particular, it's the OC. I don't know why you are so hellbent to assign blame to everyone you can other than coley.
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 2:02 pm to WG_Dawg
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It's still laughable to try to go out of your way to avoid balming the OC for...the offense
I never defended Coley.
A failed 4th down attempt that led to a short field and made field goal in a game that went to overtime???
A gameplan that had 50 passing attempts?
The buck stops somewhere.
Everyone wants to be aggressive until it backfires. And then they try to forget.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 2:04 pm to WG_Dawg
When UGA runs the ball down someone's throat (or struggles to) then it is claimed to be Kirby-Ball.
But throw the ball 50 times and Kirby must have taken some Delta 8s and forgot to keep a thumb on Coley?
But throw the ball 50 times and Kirby must have taken some Delta 8s and forgot to keep a thumb on Coley?
Posted on 10/30/23 at 2:12 pm to meansonny
FFS man, in the last 9 games of the season we scored more than 27 points in exactly one of them. Our talent is not any noticeably better or worse across the board 2020-now than it was in 2019. Main difference is coley was a fricking scrub and monken/bobo are not. This isn't complicated.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 2:16 pm to WG_Dawg
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WG_Dawg meansonny
Let's just say that Kirby learned from the Coley mistake (his mistake) and rectified it. That's a great quality, learning from both successes and failures.
That South Carolina game was bad juju from the opening kick.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 2:24 pm to WG_Dawg
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Macro level sure it's kirby's responsibilty but micro level, one specific game in particular, it's the OC. I don't know why you are so hellbent to assign blame to everyone you can other than coley.
Coley's problem wasn't one game. He was a pretty horrible hire considering the breadth of options Kirby had.
Kirby got so much blame because the hire was so bad.
He gets credit for correcting that error when it became clear that was the right course of action, and he gets more credit for learning from his mistake and making an excellent hire the next go round.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 3:14 pm to WG_Dawg
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lawrence cager
Man, that's a name I've totally forgotten about. He and Matt Landers should do a Rumphsquatch podcast.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 3:19 pm to Dawg4Life47
Watched a good bit of their game against LSU. Granted LSU defense is straight doodoo, but man, Mizzou was moving the ball with ease. Near the end of the game, they had to get points on the board and drove the length of the field in like a minute and a half.
I'm VERY happy this game is in Athens. It's one thing to move the ball against LSU, at home, and quite another to move the ball against UGA, on the road with a raucous crowd.
I'm VERY happy this game is in Athens. It's one thing to move the ball against LSU, at home, and quite another to move the ball against UGA, on the road with a raucous crowd.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 3:36 pm to chillmonster
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Coley's problem wasn't one game. He was a pretty horrible hire
Totally agree, him and schott are the worst coorindators I've seen in my lifetime. My point was to the guy above talkign about this one particular game. An offensive philosophy and overall identity is heavily influenced by the HC, sure. But in an individual game, the HC isn't in the booth calling the fricking plays. He may override one here or there, or really want somethign speicfic called at a certain time, but 90% of the playcalls are coming from the OC and being run accordingly. I was simply taking issue with the other guy's adamant refusal to blamce coley for that shittastic offensive performance.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 3:43 pm to WG_Dawg
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I was simply taking issue with the other guy's adamant refusal to blamce coley for that shittastic offensive performance.
Why are you strawmanning?
I never brought up Coley.
I was never defending him.
The other poster said it best... Coley has a season's worth of bad games to look at in 2019.
But the biggest issues against Scar were Smart/Fromm (3 INTs including a pick6 and fumble. One of the 3 picks hit Simmons in stride and in the hands to end the game).
When you go to overtime, every point mattered. 3 points were directly on Kirby going on 4th down and not punting earlier in the game.
My entire point is that Kirby has 2 strategies.
1) play to the defense's strength and use ball control and field position.
2) get a lead and then play to the defense's strength and use ball control and field position.
Kirby was forcing the issue on #2 and it backfired. Hindsight is 20/20. But it is a reminder (after the Florida game) that sometimes those gambles work and sometimes they are direct links to the loss.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 3:58 pm to meansonny
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The other poster said it best... Coley has a season's worth of bad games to look at in 2019.
yes exactly, including this one. You are saying it's fromm's fault but he's not the one calling 50 pass plays. You are blaming smart, claiming he was the biggest issue (along with fromm), while somehow glossing over coley. Again, during a game the HC isn't dialing up full drive playcalling. It's the OC. When you socre 17 points over 6 periods of football, it IS ok to blame the OC. Here's every drive we had of the game:
42 yards - FG
16 yards- punt
75 yards - TD. Ok at this point, things are actually looking pretty good no real complaints..
50 yards- turnover on downs
22 yards - interception
39 yards - turnover on downs
31 yards- punt
15 yards - punt
47 yards - fumble
37 yards - interception
96 yards - TD
17 yards - end of game
We had 2 (maybe 3 I guess) drives that you'd call a real success all game. This is against a team that would end up 4-8. This is with a collection of talented playmakers and a Pittman OL. Multiple skill position players are currently starting in the NFL and we had a seasoned JR at QB. We had some uncharasteric mistakes but any OC worth a damn would put us in bette rposition. You cannot blame Jake Fromm for us only scoring 17 points against this putrid team. Ths isn't like the UK game a few years ago that we won 16-6...in that one it was evident that our entire goal was to get a lead then run the clock out and wear them out. In the SC game we were as "wide open" as coley gets, we were definitely not trying to bully ball them. We were just terrible. We wer equally as terrible in other games we just happened to win those while losing this one.
Ulatimtley, my bottom line point I'm making is coley was trash.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 4:11 pm to WG_Dawg
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Ulatimtley, my bottom line point I'm making is coley was trash.
Lol
I didn't read your post.
I never defended Coley. He was trash. Kirby gave him a chance and immediately cut him loose at the earliest practical opportunity.
You are arguing with yourself on a completely separate point that I've never attempted to touch (because it really doesn't need to be touched... seriously, who likes Coley?)
Posted on 10/30/23 at 4:11 pm to WG_Dawg
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You cannot blame Jake Fromm for us only scoring 17 points against this putrid team.
Fromm was in an offense designed for a different type of player, and the OC was incapable of tweaking it for Fromm. Those option plays were just painful to watch because everyone and their pet chicken knew he would never run.
That said, Fromm played like mashed shite that game. It's the worst game from a GA QB since . . . I don't know if even Joe Cox ever had a worse game.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 4:12 pm to chillmonster
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It's the worst game from a GA QB since
Quincy Carter against the south carolina gamecocks
Posted on 10/30/23 at 4:16 pm to meansonny
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Quincy Carter against the south carolina gamecocks
I'd brain-dumped that game. lol. Thanks.
ETA-
Quincy Carter was the best HS QB I've ever seen in person. At Southwest Dekalb he outran 2 defenders and threw a ball 40 yards through the air across his body for a TD. It was amazing.
He was pretty good at UGA overall, but that era was pretty painful for Dawg fans. Looking back now, it's easy to laugh.
This post was edited on 10/30/23 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 10/30/23 at 4:24 pm to chillmonster
Only Coach Red Beaulieu could have won the game that day with Quincy against South Carolina (take 3 knees and punt and ask your defense/special teams to find some points).
Posted on 10/30/23 at 4:38 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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He's good, but he's no Marvin Harrison Jr.
Burden is good, but what are their other receiving threats like?
I feel like MHjr's game benefits from the fact that OSU has enough threats lining up around him, that you cannot commit to double teams that frequently. OSU can reliably trust Fleming, Egbuka, Cade Stover, and their backs to take advantage if the secondary gets too preoccupied with Marvin.
Can we throw the kitchen sink at Burden and trust the rest of the coverage to hold up away from him? Burden is freaky good and we must take him away.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 4:50 pm to DirtyDawg
The other receivers are good.
Their trio would be like Brock Bowers with Marcus Rosemy-JackSaint and Dom Lovett.
Not as good as Brock and Ladd out there at the same time.
And not as good as all of the other complimentary pieces that we have (Bell, Delp, RaRa).
SoFl thinks we are able to lock down the outside with physical man coverage. But we struggle with Burden iii who will go off but leave them far short of enough offense.
Their trio would be like Brock Bowers with Marcus Rosemy-JackSaint and Dom Lovett.
Not as good as Brock and Ladd out there at the same time.
And not as good as all of the other complimentary pieces that we have (Bell, Delp, RaRa).
SoFl thinks we are able to lock down the outside with physical man coverage. But we struggle with Burden iii who will go off but leave them far short of enough offense.
This post was edited on 10/30/23 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 10/30/23 at 5:47 pm to meansonny
Those receivers are excellent. Cook is good as well, but he isn't facing pressure nearly as often as he'll see on Saturday, and most of his throws are either one-read throws to completely wide-arse open guys or quick/screen game around the LoS to let his guys cook. They scheme well and frequently have excellent blocking down field from the WRs.
However, he's made some awfully bone-headed throws under duress.
The keys are tackling in space and pressure on the QB. Shut down the quick game and pressure Cook, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him throw multiple INTs.
However, he's made some awfully bone-headed throws under duress.
The keys are tackling in space and pressure on the QB. Shut down the quick game and pressure Cook, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him throw multiple INTs.
This post was edited on 10/30/23 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 10/30/23 at 5:49 pm to chillmonster
Cook will run, and they do have designed runs for him.
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