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re: Thoughts on the 2023 team?

Posted on 7/18/23 at 10:30 am to
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 7/18/23 at 10:30 am to
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I think the throwing and Milroe just isn’t panning out.



Is he not throwing well in summer workouts or something?
Posted by bamadam2
Member since Aug 2017
17 posts
Posted on 7/19/23 at 7:35 am to
With the points we put up and still lost?
Putting your best edge rusher against an interior lineman?
NO gang tackling or discipline?
Yeah, I think the old D had a hand in our problems
Posted by WeWillFly
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Member since Oct 2022
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Posted on 7/19/23 at 9:46 am to
I agree with your assessment, George

I feel like this is uncharted territory but I'm keeping my posi-bammer. I think there's a chance that we drop a game, but, I'm thinking the team has something to prove this year that they still got it. I think of the situation that's around Bama Football right now as a puzzle. We have the pieces but i'm intrigued to see how they fit in the puzzle.

Posted by slammer66
Member since Aug 2014
235 posts
Posted on 7/19/23 at 12:53 pm to
At virtually every level above high school you have the question of the mediocre passer with the big mobility. He can win a bunch of games yes, but those type virtually never win a championship. We even saw a few examples of that in the USFL this year where they were trying to win with a guy who could run and occasionally get lucky with a long throw. They were good enough to add drama but the litmus test of 60 minutes always left them on the low end of the score.

I have nothing against Milro but I care virtually nothing about his ability to run. If I'm choosing the QB in practice I would count all running plays as zero gain. Because that's what he will get against Georgia, zero I don't evaluate as if my opponent is going to be Middle Tennessee

If Milro is that guy then great. nice wheels are a nifty tool to have. but a Georgia is NOT going to let him out of the pocket. not if you played them 100 times back to back.
Posted by Hback
Member since Aug 2017
9399 posts
Posted on 7/19/23 at 2:32 pm to
#Alabama defensive vets explain why freshman DB Caleb Downs can make an immediate impact.

"Every time I pop up at the facility, he's already been there for maybe an hour or two getting extra work in with the coaches, learning the defense."




Charlie Potter
Posted by CamAquatic
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 7/20/23 at 3:55 am to
I feel good about the team. There are some question marks, and we'll see how camp buzz changes things, but I think we can win it all.

Rees could be a miss, but I'm optimistic about what he can be with more offensive talent, and Saban seems to really love him so I'm hopeful. Steele is better than Golding, IMO.

QB will continue to be a bit of a concern until we see someone go out there against live bullets and make plays. I think this QB will not be asked to as much as guys have since 2018, but hopefully we still have the ability to air it out at a fairly high level. I expect the WRs to be improved. RydeOut territory? Nope, but better than last year for sure.

The RBs and OL speak for themselves. I think we'll probably see something of a three headed monster akin to 2018 when Harris/Jacobs/Harris all split time. Jase/Haynes/Jam. I feel REALLY good about the OL, especially if Proctor comes along and finds his way into the mix at LT or LG.

Defensively I think we can be as good as we've been since 2016. The secondary should be excellent and I think overall this DL has the potential to be the best unit we've had since around the same time. That's more potential though. I'm interested in seeing whether or not James Smith has a big role, I think he will. I love our OLB unit, losing Will sucks, but we have so much at Edge. And ILBs is definitely a mystery, but again there's a lot of exciting talent there and I think not having Golding as ILB coach may steer us back towards the ILB play we're used to.
Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:58 am to
quote:

If Milro is that guy then great. nice wheels are a nifty tool to have. but a Georgia is NOT going to let him out of the pocket. not if you played them 100 times back to back.


This played out two years in a row with Hurts (moreso the 2nd). We all know how he's developed since...but Georga had his number.

Even with a QB who can scramble you run the risk of injury to the QB...how many of these QBs make it to the end of the season? Tua didn't...not whole, anyway.

Having said that, we haven't seen enough of Milroe to say he can't be the guy to complete passes. Getting thrown in after an injury to Bryce isn't the greatest of circumstances.
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 12:03 pm
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
5803 posts
Posted on 7/24/23 at 10:32 pm to
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QB situation is an absolute toss up


You've seen Milroe play, right?

If the QB situation is truly a toss-up, BAMA loses 4-5 games in 2023. That is to say, if Milroe starts 12 games for BAMA, the ceiling is 9-3. I'd bet 8-4.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
5803 posts
Posted on 7/24/23 at 10:42 pm to
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Saban wasn’t the one constantly putting Hellams on Hyatt


So he just let the DC keep doing it? 5 catches. 1 billion yards. 5 TDs. Saban just let that happen, because he lets his coaches coach on Game Day??
horseshite.

At least I hope Saban isn't that hands-off on Game Day.
Posted by Othello
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 7/25/23 at 1:45 am to
quote:

This played out two years in a row with Hurts (moreso the 2nd). We all know how he's developed since...but Georga had his number.



In 2018 Jalen's running ability was crucial to beating UGA in the 2018 SECCG.

Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 6:24 am to
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You've seen Milroe play, right?

If the QB situation is truly a toss-up, BAMA loses 4-5 games in 2023. That is to say, if Milroe starts 12 games for BAMA, the ceiling is 9-3. I'd bet 8-4.


(A) An absolute toss up in terms of whether it goes adequately or poorly, not necessarily who the QB is.

(B) Even if you remove Milroe from the equation, it's still a toss up between Simpson and Buchner at this point.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
5803 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 6:27 am to
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(B) Even if you remove Milroe from the equation, it's still a toss up between Simpson and Buchner at this point.


And my point is, if both of those guys are worse than Milroe, Bama will lose 4-5 games.
Posted by Panthers4life
Huntsville
Member since Nov 2017
4364 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 7:24 am to
Gideon, when has Alabama lost more than 3 gamesnunder Saban? This has happened once while he was at Alabama and this was early in his career when he came to Alabama.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
44424 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 7:43 am to
We have also never had this combination of potentially mediocre QB play, no established top end skill talent, and a defense that has taken a couple of steps back from the standard and may or may not get it back together. The formula for a miserable season is there. Talent alone will win us plenty of games, but 3-4 losses is definitely a possibility if we get poor QB play and a barely improved defense. One of those two has to be very good and the other can't be bad. The closest comparison is probably going into the 2014 season, but Sims kinda came out of nowhere to have a good year and Kiffin just spammed WR screens to Cooper to pick up 8+ yards pretty much whenever he wanted to. I don't think we have a WR on the roster good enough to be a QB crutch like that.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
17002 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 9:24 am to
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no established top end skill talent


Last year we had 3 top 100 offensive skill players, we have 12 this year.

quote:

and a defense that has taken a couple of steps back from the standard


Steel was part of that former standard, Pete was bad, his scheme was bad, and most football lifers will tell you that. I could give you a ton of examples but you already know.

QB wise the race is very tight between Simpson and Buchner. I think Buchners game experience might take over but it’s anyone’s job.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:27 am to
So what has happened between spring game and now where Milroe has fallen behind the other two?
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:46 am to
I think our offensive skill talent is fine. I dunno if the WRs are bunch of NFL guys talented or not, but I think there are a bunch of upper level SEC talents there. And I think they're seasoned now and that Rees will draw all sorts of stuff up to get them open in space (maybe too much and overthink it, which is the most consistently mentioned negative in his young coaching career).

Running back room is going to be fantastic. The line could be great, but I think floor is solid but inconsistent.

QB is a huge question. At worst the guy needs to take care of the ball, be able to grind out some yards with his legs and make easy throws. I think both Buchner and Simpson are capable of #2 and #3, but #1 is a huge wild card.
This post was edited on 7/25/23 at 11:47 am
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
14524 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 12:18 pm to
It will be interesting to see how committed we are to going to a 2015-style of offense, which seems to be what Saban has hinted at. Obviously we don't have Derrick Henry back there but we've got a good stable and I think that style is what Wolford's bread-and-butter is. I like our OL and could see that style being successful as defenses have gone smaller/quicker. It's been proven we don't need a star at QB, but we need someone competent who can occasionally hit one over the top.

I honestly have not kept up much this offseason. Does anyone have a feel for who the QB is going to be? I did not get warm fuzzies from us bringing in Buchner, but it's hard to say if that's an insurance policy or a desperation move.
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
12610 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 12:31 pm to
quote:

Even with a QB who can scramble you run the risk of injury to the QB...how many of these QBs make it to the end of the season? Tua didn't...not whole, anyway.

Tua had a nasty habit of hanging onto the ball too long and trying to make the big play happen literally every time. It eventually led to his hip injury against State. Jalen ran the ball every other play and never missed a game.

quote:


Having said that, we haven't seen enough of Milroe to say he can't be the guy to complete passes. Getting thrown in after an injury to Bryce isn't the greatest of circumstances.



Milroe playing a half against Arkansas and having the following week to prepare himself to be the starter doesn't count as being thrown in.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
14524 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 12:36 pm to
I think everyone jumping off the Milroe train might be a bit premature. Yes, he played poorly against A&M. Everyone saw that. It is what it is. It was also one game, and if we are being honest, I didn't see our playcaller doing a whole lot to help him out in that one either. I felt like BOB was using his NFL "Next man up" mentality in that game instead of tailoring a plan to what Milroe could do. I'm not ready to say Milroe can do the job, but I'm also not ruling it out. Players improve all the time.
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