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What is your opinion of why Texas has entered this rut
Posted on 12/31/22 at 11:53 am
Posted on 12/31/22 at 11:53 am
This was a tangent in another thread, so ...
Athletic Director:
Deloss Dodds built a great athletic program, including football, and the premier money making machine in the country, set the cruise control and then sat back and counted the money. The arms race in newer facilities was heating up and Texas choose not to participate, and got left behind. Deloss did a lot of good things. Laugh all you want about the Longhorn Network, but it raised the visibility of all Texas sports, which have won the Director's Cup two years running. It also has created a pipeline for those athletes interested in sports broadcasting.
Steve Patterson ended up being a hired gun that trimmed the fat in a $200 million budget. His most noteworthy accomplishment was hiring Charlie Strong. He didn't last 2 years.
Chris Del Conte built a very good athletic program at TCU, and has done well at Texas. Everything else is in place, time to focus on football.
Coaches:
Mack Brown was a great recruiter and he started getting lazy after 2005. He relied too much on the rating services, instead of doing his own work. His recruiting classes were full of highly ranked Juniors who would commit to Texas early. He was proud to have is recruiting pretty much finished before the high school season was over.
Kids who became superstars their senior years that wanted to come to Texas were overlooked and not pursued. Kids that favored other colleges were not pursued. Andrew Luck wanted to come to Texas but was never offered. Texas didn't even take a QB that year. Without sophomore Luck as a backup to Colt McCoy, true freshman Garrett Gilbert was thrown to the wolves.
Charlie's success was Teddy Bridgewater. Charlie is good man and a good coach. The Head Coaching job at Texas, and all that entails overwhelmed him. Coaching and Recruiting at Texas is much different than Louisville. The staff be brought from Louisville were not top tier at either. Demands on his time outside of coaching was not his comfort zone. Mack loved doing the Coaches shows, meeting w/ alumni groups and the media; Charlie did not. Charlie recruited his roots, which was Florida heavy and Texas light. Most of the Florida kids left. Charlie lasted 3 years.
Everybody wanted Tom Herman, the offensive savant. He got the credit for Case Keenum, who threw for over 19,000 yards under Art Briles, Kevin Sumlin & Tom Herman. Herman's was not an offensive savant and his bedside manner was a horrible fit at Texas. He polluted the alumni, the locker room, and worst of all, recruiting. His recruiting is more noteworthy for who he chased away then who he got. With little support from players, alumni and administration, he was let go after 4 years.
Culture
Culture means different things. Each coach brings his own culture to the Football program and that is what the players and media see. Good or bad, the culture becomes an extension of the coaches character.
The culture created by a football coach is not necessarily the same as the culture of the Athletic Department or the $40 Billion University. The University of Texas was created "as a university of the first class" and that never ending goal is the culture of UT, not the football program.
Sark has turned over the locker room and got rid of the entitled players who want to play at Texas, in favor of those who want to play for Texas.
Coaching.
Mack won one National Championship, with VY. Texas' OC Greg Davis wasted so much talent with his "Gulf Coast" offense.
He was lucky lightly recruited Colt was a 4 year starter and the winningest QB in college football, the last hurrah while Mack retired in place. Chasing Saban and ending up w/ Charlie was a gut punch. Herman was an arse.
Sark is likable and talented. Both of those are equally important.
Talent/Recruiting
Mack mailed it in, Charlie didn't have the rapport w/ Texas high school coaches, and Tom Herman did more harm than good. Herman left the cupboards pretty bare (duh!) with a horrible OL group, way too many big & slow receivers, and hardly any LB.
Sark can attract talent, and he has recruited well to fill the holes.
Texas players "play" school; Texas had 28 total graduates for the 2021-2022 academic year. There are some kids Texas won't recruit, no matter how talented they are. One thing Texas won't be competitive in is the "Fulmer Cup".
We will never agree, but Texas has not and will not engage in the Institutional indiscretions that are well known around the country.
NIL gives Texas a more level playing field to compete for high-end talent (perhaps it even has a bit of an burnt orange tilt).
Is Sark the man and is now the time? Don't know yet.
But it's gonna be fun to watch.
Hook 'Em!
quote:Just one man's opinion ...
Then you tell us why a program with Texas' resources has lost 56 games in the last 10 years. One in which the team played 2 fewer games than normal years.
Culture?
Coaching?
Talent?
What is your opinion of why Texas has entered this rut.
Athletic Director:
Deloss Dodds built a great athletic program, including football, and the premier money making machine in the country, set the cruise control and then sat back and counted the money. The arms race in newer facilities was heating up and Texas choose not to participate, and got left behind. Deloss did a lot of good things. Laugh all you want about the Longhorn Network, but it raised the visibility of all Texas sports, which have won the Director's Cup two years running. It also has created a pipeline for those athletes interested in sports broadcasting.
Steve Patterson ended up being a hired gun that trimmed the fat in a $200 million budget. His most noteworthy accomplishment was hiring Charlie Strong. He didn't last 2 years.
Chris Del Conte built a very good athletic program at TCU, and has done well at Texas. Everything else is in place, time to focus on football.
Coaches:
Mack Brown was a great recruiter and he started getting lazy after 2005. He relied too much on the rating services, instead of doing his own work. His recruiting classes were full of highly ranked Juniors who would commit to Texas early. He was proud to have is recruiting pretty much finished before the high school season was over.
Kids who became superstars their senior years that wanted to come to Texas were overlooked and not pursued. Kids that favored other colleges were not pursued. Andrew Luck wanted to come to Texas but was never offered. Texas didn't even take a QB that year. Without sophomore Luck as a backup to Colt McCoy, true freshman Garrett Gilbert was thrown to the wolves.
Charlie's success was Teddy Bridgewater. Charlie is good man and a good coach. The Head Coaching job at Texas, and all that entails overwhelmed him. Coaching and Recruiting at Texas is much different than Louisville. The staff be brought from Louisville were not top tier at either. Demands on his time outside of coaching was not his comfort zone. Mack loved doing the Coaches shows, meeting w/ alumni groups and the media; Charlie did not. Charlie recruited his roots, which was Florida heavy and Texas light. Most of the Florida kids left. Charlie lasted 3 years.
Everybody wanted Tom Herman, the offensive savant. He got the credit for Case Keenum, who threw for over 19,000 yards under Art Briles, Kevin Sumlin & Tom Herman. Herman's was not an offensive savant and his bedside manner was a horrible fit at Texas. He polluted the alumni, the locker room, and worst of all, recruiting. His recruiting is more noteworthy for who he chased away then who he got. With little support from players, alumni and administration, he was let go after 4 years.
Culture
Culture means different things. Each coach brings his own culture to the Football program and that is what the players and media see. Good or bad, the culture becomes an extension of the coaches character.
The culture created by a football coach is not necessarily the same as the culture of the Athletic Department or the $40 Billion University. The University of Texas was created "as a university of the first class" and that never ending goal is the culture of UT, not the football program.
Sark has turned over the locker room and got rid of the entitled players who want to play at Texas, in favor of those who want to play for Texas.
Coaching.
Mack won one National Championship, with VY. Texas' OC Greg Davis wasted so much talent with his "Gulf Coast" offense.
He was lucky lightly recruited Colt was a 4 year starter and the winningest QB in college football, the last hurrah while Mack retired in place. Chasing Saban and ending up w/ Charlie was a gut punch. Herman was an arse.
Sark is likable and talented. Both of those are equally important.
Talent/Recruiting
Mack mailed it in, Charlie didn't have the rapport w/ Texas high school coaches, and Tom Herman did more harm than good. Herman left the cupboards pretty bare (duh!) with a horrible OL group, way too many big & slow receivers, and hardly any LB.
Sark can attract talent, and he has recruited well to fill the holes.
Texas players "play" school; Texas had 28 total graduates for the 2021-2022 academic year. There are some kids Texas won't recruit, no matter how talented they are. One thing Texas won't be competitive in is the "Fulmer Cup".
We will never agree, but Texas has not and will not engage in the Institutional indiscretions that are well known around the country.
NIL gives Texas a more level playing field to compete for high-end talent (perhaps it even has a bit of an burnt orange tilt).
Is Sark the man and is now the time? Don't know yet.
But it's gonna be fun to watch.
Hook 'Em!
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Posted on 12/31/22 at 11:54 am to Ptins944
Meddling
Posted on 12/31/22 at 11:55 am to Ptins944
Posted on 12/31/22 at 11:55 am to Ptins944
Rut?
This is the norm
This is the norm
Posted on 12/31/22 at 11:57 am to Ptins944
Bad coaching hires. It's that simple. And I thought Herman was a decent coach. Maybe gave up on him too early and downgraded to Sark.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 11:59 am to Ptins944
Texas sucks. That’s the only reason anyone needs. Tennessee is the only team that is the real UT and wears the real orange. That was proven last night.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 12:00 pm to Ptins944
Sark teams have shown flashes of promise, but fail to be consistent. Next year could be make or break.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 12:00 pm to Ptins944
Posted on 12/31/22 at 12:01 pm to Ptins944
Nobody is going to read all that bs for a school most don't want in the conference.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 12:02 pm to Ptins944
Personally I think God is punishing y’all for choosing such a terrible school color
Posted on 12/31/22 at 12:03 pm to Ptins944
Coaching, plus...
Texas and Texas A&M playing on Thanksgiving (+1) for over a hundred years was the game between schools in Texas. If you were a bluechip in Texas, you were going to be either an Aggie or Longhorn (OU will always get theirs, sure).
By not playing the game, Texas and the Aggies gave away a hugely important advantage: win that game, you get the recruits. Go on a streak, lock down the state.
This allowed programs like Baylor and TCU to sneak in based on their accomplishments -- and they have done well for themselves.
Texas moving to the SEC and restarting the series will see the end of Baylor and TCU's run.
Texas and Texas A&M playing on Thanksgiving (+1) for over a hundred years was the game between schools in Texas. If you were a bluechip in Texas, you were going to be either an Aggie or Longhorn (OU will always get theirs, sure).
By not playing the game, Texas and the Aggies gave away a hugely important advantage: win that game, you get the recruits. Go on a streak, lock down the state.
This allowed programs like Baylor and TCU to sneak in based on their accomplishments -- and they have done well for themselves.
Texas moving to the SEC and restarting the series will see the end of Baylor and TCU's run.
This post was edited on 12/31/22 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 12/31/22 at 12:20 pm to Ptins944
Posted on 12/31/22 at 12:26 pm to Ptins944
You seem ok, but this thread is the prime example of your issues. Your fanbase ignores reality and feels overly self important.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 12:28 pm to Ptins944
The Greg Davis 3rd & 5 play sheet seriously is one of the greatest things I've ever seen on the internet 
Posted on 12/31/22 at 12:28 pm to Ptins944
To much of most everything but heart.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 12:33 pm to Ptins944
quote:
What is your opinion of why Texas has entered this rut
They are spoiled entitled pricks and are receiving their just desserts
Hope it gets worse and lasts forever
Posted on 12/31/22 at 12:34 pm to Ptins944
Bad coaching hires and retarded boosters who don't know how to get out of the way.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 12:36 pm to Ptins944
Cause y’all aren’t as good as y’all think y’all are. And that’s evident in your use of the word rut to explain yalls level.
Posted on 12/31/22 at 12:38 pm to Ptins944
For 25 million, make me Football czar and I will fix for you. (Lol)
Suggestions:
Form a tiered support group and stop this “my rich dick is bigger than yours bullshite” , 1 million a year, 5 million a year, 10 million a year, 25 million a year, 50 million dollar club, 100 million dollar club, etc. Make it ridiculous like that, some mfer wants to get into dick measuring contest point to the 100 million dollar club sign. Enough already You had Saban but he wisely put a simple test for you to see if your alum were under control and you failed miserably. Every coach in America knows this.
2) Fire Sark, he sucks. You think he is ok because all your previous coaches sucked more. You need to bring in someone that’s a hard arse, will not take any shite, and can tell billionaires to STFU, tall order. Saban, CBK, maybe CUM, can do it maybe the guy have as a consultant. (Patterson, definitely best coach in the building) You are going to have a 100 million dollar penalty clause or bigger. You probably should fire your AD and everyone in your dept too, just because.
3) Form a huge NIL group and pay every player worth a shite.
4) Buy some damn old school lunch pails and make players carry them everywhere. You need old school work ethic
You are welcome. should I tell you where to send the checks.
Suggestions:
Form a tiered support group and stop this “my rich dick is bigger than yours bullshite” , 1 million a year, 5 million a year, 10 million a year, 25 million a year, 50 million dollar club, 100 million dollar club, etc. Make it ridiculous like that, some mfer wants to get into dick measuring contest point to the 100 million dollar club sign. Enough already You had Saban but he wisely put a simple test for you to see if your alum were under control and you failed miserably. Every coach in America knows this.
2) Fire Sark, he sucks. You think he is ok because all your previous coaches sucked more. You need to bring in someone that’s a hard arse, will not take any shite, and can tell billionaires to STFU, tall order. Saban, CBK, maybe CUM, can do it maybe the guy have as a consultant. (Patterson, definitely best coach in the building) You are going to have a 100 million dollar penalty clause or bigger. You probably should fire your AD and everyone in your dept too, just because.
3) Form a huge NIL group and pay every player worth a shite.
4) Buy some damn old school lunch pails and make players carry them everywhere. You need old school work ethic
You are welcome. should I tell you where to send the checks.
This post was edited on 12/31/22 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 12/31/22 at 12:41 pm to Ptins944
My honest opinion is a little bit of everything: you can’t be as bad as the longhorns have been for the last decade without having a multitude of problems, but the likely biggest issue was/is recruiting. And not that y’all aren’t getting high enough ranked classes.
As much as y’all used to call it sour grapes by Aggies, people did research it and I’ve seen proof that there were many times a recruit would get an offer from Austin or would commit, and would get a big bump in rankings. Happened a lot and basically I think y’all didn’t truly have as good of a roster as you thought for many years. The bias seems to have died off somewhat in recent years, but I remember seeing lots ranking shenanigans 5+ years ago.
As much as y’all used to call it sour grapes by Aggies, people did research it and I’ve seen proof that there were many times a recruit would get an offer from Austin or would commit, and would get a big bump in rankings. Happened a lot and basically I think y’all didn’t truly have as good of a roster as you thought for many years. The bias seems to have died off somewhat in recent years, but I remember seeing lots ranking shenanigans 5+ years ago.
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