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re: Arkansas has a Z tier secondary, is A&M good enough to exploit it?

Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:45 pm to
Posted by FireDanMullen
Member since Dec 2020
2780 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:45 pm to
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Plus we've played a much tougher schedule.


Lol what. Neither team has played anyone
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
53060 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:49 pm to
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How much of a gamer is Max? Is he going to stand strong and deliver the ball downfield repeatedly in the face of pressure? Or is he going to get happy feet and wilt? Would you like to hang your team’s chances of winning on Max rising to that sort of occasion, the guy who was the backup two weeks ago?


Max has no problem throwing under pressure, he was being hit as he delivered the kill shot to A&M last year.

His pocket presence sucks though.
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21374 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 2:59 pm to
During the second half Arkansas was running the clock not trying to score.
Posted by Arzrbkfan
Member since Jul 2022
242 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:04 pm to
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I mean, Rattler threw for nearly 400 yards vs Arkansas and we’ve seen how shite he’s played this year. So, why not?
Over half of your total yards came in the 4th qtr after the game was decided.
Posted by weremoose
Member since Nov 2015
4177 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:08 pm to
Slusher is back which will have an outsized effect on our secondary. Not as much as Catalon, but still.

Another thing is that most of our yards come from missed tackle YAC. Tackling is one of the easiest things to clean up.


That said, the secondary is still arse compared to nearly every other unit in the SEC.
Posted by Hawglicious
Arkansas River Valley
Member since Jan 2022
972 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:09 pm to
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Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21374 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:11 pm to
Tackling is an issue for the secondary. Hand tackling is bad and a lot of whiffs from over pursuing on plays.
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21374 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:13 pm to
Should have been 61-30.
Posted by ryanexsus
Little Rock
Member since May 2009
795 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:22 pm to
If Miami could average 5 yards a carry on A&M, I think the Hogs can better that. Control the line of scrimmage, grind out long drives, something A&M can't seem to do. We'll control the game. Won't matter how shitty our secondary is.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
5707 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:26 pm to
Remains to be seen. Johnson hasn’t proven that at A&M yet. But he does have young talent available on the outside.

Apparently the Arky pass rush is ELITE according to some hog posters here. I just didn’t see that stopping Missouri State last week.

Jimbo’s playcalling will be under a lot of pressure if he doesn’t take advantage.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
14476 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:27 pm to
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Plus we've played a much tougher schedule.

I wouldn't necessarily say that. Cincy is not the team they were a year ago. New QB, OC, Freeman gone. Miami is probably comparable to them.

USCe's only win is over 0-4 GA St. App St may be better than USCe.

Your FCS team was MO St which is a good team, but SHSU was a top FCS team too.

I still think Arkansas wins because they have a better offense, but it's still too early in the season to tell who the better teams are in CFB outside a few of the elite ones.
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 10:43 pm
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21374 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:30 pm to
If Arkansas scores first then it is likely they win the game because they can eat up clock and score on time consuming possessions.

This is the advantage of a run oriented offenses as it puts pressure on the opposing offense to score but if they turn the ball over then it is pretty much pass on every play to get back into the game.
Posted by Arzrbkfan
Member since Jul 2022
242 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:33 pm to
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too early in the season to tell who the better teams are in CFB outside a few of the elite one.
I agree with this, 2 more games will clear things up a bit.
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
13594 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:38 pm to
aTm offense has sucked no matter who they face, this leads me to think the quality of opponents doesn’t matter, and that Jimbo’s 2005 offense is the issue.
Posted by DuckTalesLOL
Arkansas
Member since Aug 2018
6058 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:47 pm to
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Apparently the Arky pass rush is ELITE according to some hog posters here. I just didn’t see that stopping Missouri State last week.


I mean, we had 8 sacks...

The game would've been a bit different if we didn't turn the ball over 3 times, which is uncharacteristic of us. 1 fumble into the endzone and another in the red zone.

Also held them to 52 yards rushing. Our problem last week wasn't pass rush, it was missed tackles.
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 3:49 pm
Posted by Aggie_2463
College station, tx
Member since Jul 2013
602 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:49 pm to
We threw for 360 on SHsU - I would say having the last ranked FBs rated passing D should be equivalent
Posted by Mr Sausage
Cat Spring, Texas
Member since Oct 2011
12865 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:50 pm to
Is A&M OL the equivalent of Missouri State’s?
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25886 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:50 pm to
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During the second half Arkansas was running the clock not trying to score.


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Over half of your total yards came in the 4th qtr after the game was decided.


Arkansas was in control of the game from bell to bell. No doubt. But you guys are completely misremembering the game. It was 21-16 going into the 4th QT and you’re starters weren’t pulled until when? If at all. The whole “we weren’t really trying the last 15-30 minutes of the game” is just not accurate.

377 yards passing against a guy that currently has 2 TDs and 5 INTs isn’t a good sign no matter how you slice it.

Other teams that kick the shite out of us and do actually pull up in the 4th still don’t give up that kind of yardage.

ETA: this isn’t some shite on Arkansas post or attempt to agitate. I had a good time in Fayetteville and I’ve never had so many hosting fans come up and say welcome.

I’ve just seen this story before when a crap SC team exploits a weakness in another team but is dismissed as “garbage time” stats that didn’t matter because they beat SC badly on the scoreboard. Then other, better teams exploit that same weakness but actually have the capacity to win.
This post was edited on 9/23/22 at 3:56 pm
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
14139 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:57 pm to
I have no doubt that Ainias, Stewart, and Marshall can absolutely torch Arky's DBs. The problem is that our OL might not be able to keep Max upright long enough to get the ball to them.
Posted by HOG92
Bentonville
Member since May 2018
1733 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:59 pm to
I don't think our secondary is quite as bad as some make it out to be. The teams we've played have had to pass it a lot late and some key injuries hurt our depth and our safeties got tired in the 4th. I trust this staff to get things turned around. I heard Pittman say in a press conference this week that they're considering going back to the umbrella defense of the last couple years if they have to.
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