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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 12/31/23 at 6:59 pm to
Posted by immobileman
nowhere in particular
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 12/31/23 at 6:59 pm to
I’ll be your Putin troll in this example. Putin for years leading up to this event warned NATO not to allow anymore countries to join NATO that border Russia. NATO broke the rules a long time ago when Gorbachev dissolved the Warsaw Pact. So Putin, painted by western MSM as the bad guy, said no when Ukraine wanted to join. You would protect your borders too!

I don’t care if you believe this or not but it is the truth. Could I provide links, yes, already have and some of you either dismiss it without reading/watching or don’t even check the links because, well who the fricks knows you just know to hate Putin. It’s been embedded.

There are two things I wish you would all really think about here. If you believe the MSM and government(s) lied about Covid, why would you believe this lie? Second, Biden’s son, Pelosi’s son, John Kerry’s son and the Clinton’s all have/had dealings there. This is a money laundering scheme, stealing your tax dollars and having you cheer for it.

Even in the beginning when there were move than video game footage, the independent media were kicked out. We truly got nothing. Hearsay b.s. to this day. More footage has been seen in a couple months around Gaza than Ukraine.

Go ahead and downvote me, I told you this would not end with Ukraine winning. Russia is not going into any others countries either, less they border their territory and try to join NATO. Putin is not the villain the MSM portrays him to be.

We just love to war I guess..??
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21514 posts
Posted on 12/31/23 at 7:02 pm to
Putin is only boss in Russia.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
1337 posts
Posted on 12/31/23 at 7:26 pm to
quote:

Go ahead and downvote me, I told you this would not end with Ukraine winning. Russia is not going into any others countries either, less they border their territory and try to join NATO. Putin is not the villain the MSM portrays him to be.



The fact you inbreds keep parroting this as some sort of “gotcha” in the event it were true (it isn’t) is indicative of your disconnect from reality.

If you invade countries for wanting to join a defensive alliance, you’re the bad guy.

Fill in the blanks:

Number of times NATO attacked Russia:_____


Number of times Russia attacked a non-NATO country: _____
This post was edited on 12/31/23 at 7:28 pm
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3217 posts
Posted on 12/31/23 at 7:40 pm to
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Putin for years leading up to this event warned NATO not to allow anymore countries to join NATO that border Russia.


Here is the problem.. you believe what Putin says in the public setting...

Generally, when leaders have a "red line" they do not want to see crossed, they communicate that through channels other than the media....

Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
3739 posts
Posted on 12/31/23 at 7:53 pm to
quote:

Putin for years leading up to this event warned NATO not to allow anymore countries to join NATO that border Russia. NATO broke the rules a long time ago when Gorbachev dissolved the Warsaw Pact. So Putin, painted by western MSM as the bad guy, said no when Ukraine wanted to join. You would protect your borders too!


I could also provide links where Gorbachev said no deal was made. Basically nothing was signed so you can easily seek out your own confirmation bias. Bottom line nothing was signed.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145267 posts
Posted on 12/31/23 at 8:29 pm to
quote:

If you believe the MSM and government(s) lied about Covid, why would you believe this lie? Second, Biden’s son, Pelosi’s son, John Kerry’s son and the Clinton’s all have/had dealings there. This is a money laundering scheme, stealing your tax dollars and having you cheer for it.
frick. YES
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
18011 posts
Posted on 12/31/23 at 9:45 pm to
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So Putin, painted by western MSM as the bad guy
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If you believe the MSM and government(s) lied about Covid
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Putin is not the villain the MSM portrays him to be.



Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
5733 posts
Posted on 1/1/24 at 5:16 pm to
quote:

I’ll be your Putin troll in this example. Putin for years leading up to this event warned NATO not to allow anymore countries to join NATO that border Russia. NATO broke the rules a long time ago when Gorbachev dissolved the Warsaw Pact. So Putin, painted by western MSM as the bad guy, said no when Ukraine wanted to join. You would protect your borders too!


If you haven’t noticed, he has given several other reasons for the war, like Nazis. The truth is he has own personal reasons for expansion and dreams of the old USSR.

So I don’t care what Putin says, because he has lied through his teeth about Ukraine since the beginning. They said they weren’t going to invade, but were planning it all along. Most people have learned not to take a Putin for his word.

Regardless, Putin doesn’t get to decide who joins NATO. And invasion isn’t justified because you made warnings.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36327 posts
Posted on 1/2/24 at 6:58 am to
quote:

I’ll be your Putin troll in this example. Putin for years leading up to this event warned NATO not to allow anymore countries to join NATO that border Russia. NATO broke the rules a long time ago when Gorbachev dissolved the Warsaw Pact. So Putin, painted by western MSM as the bad guy, said no when Ukraine wanted to join. You would protect your borders too!



No such rules were ever agreed upon. The only signed document between Russia and NATO states the exact opposite.

quote:

Go ahead and downvote me, I told you this would not end with Ukraine winning. Russia is not going into any others countries either, less they border their territory and try to join NATO. Putin is not the villain the MSM portrays him to be.



Russia is the geopolitical loser here regardless of what occurs in Ukraine.
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