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re: Why is Greene not fired?
Posted on 2/19/22 at 2:47 pm to baldona
Posted on 2/19/22 at 2:47 pm to baldona
His deal ends at the end of January 2023, so less than a year. He’ll likely be replaced by the new president before that contract expires. Greene was hired by Leath and retained only because Gogue doesn’t want to be involved in athletics. New guy is allegedly interested in athletics so I’d anticipate he’s got candidates in mind.
Very true that we’re in a waiting game but I don’t think the resolution is far away
Very true that we’re in a waiting game but I don’t think the resolution is far away
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Posted on 2/19/22 at 3:30 pm to baldona
This is gaslighting to the n-th degree. Whatever idiot made up the affair hoax basically gave immunity to all involved parties.
Posted on 2/19/22 at 3:44 pm to AUTubaHerd
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This is gaslighting to the n-th degree. Whatever idiot made up the affair hoax basically gave immunity to all involved parties.
Maybe until this last round of hires/ promotions. But I disagree now, the last round of hires imo shows that Harsin either can’t hire anyone or the job no longer appeals to anyone; maybe both. I don’t know why Greene would have even allowed them unless they tried and couldn’t get anyone else or Greene is on his way out also and doesn’t care.
Posted on 2/19/22 at 3:47 pm to baldona
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Maybe until this last round of hires/ promotions. But I disagree now, the last round of hires imo shows that Harsin either can’t hire anyone or the job no longer appeals to anyone; maybe both. I don’t know why Greene would have even allowed them unless they tried and couldn’t get anyone else or Greene is on his way out also and doesn’t care.
We just had a public witch hunt after the head coach. What good coach in their right mind is going to step into that? I’m not very confident Harsin would have snagged an elite guy but that crapshow guaranteed it wouldn’t happen.
Posted on 2/19/22 at 3:47 pm to TheJones
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His deal ends at the end of January 2023,
But that’s longer than Harsin will have most likely and my entire point. Harsin likely isn’t going to last past November barring a miracle. Teams go without AD’s all the time while waiting to hire someone. I’m not convinced Auburn will make a move before his contract expires.
I’d rather we give Harsin 2 more years and let Greene’s contract expire then Greene hire someone else that isn’t approved by all. I would just like to get back to feeling like we can start moving forward again.
Posted on 2/19/22 at 3:49 pm to AA7
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I’m not very confident Harsin would have snagged an elite guy but that crapshow guaranteed it wouldn’t happen.
I never expected someone elite, but I would have expected someone with some actual OC experience. Not someone promoted from within with nothing. I understand the situation, but OC at auburn is still a top 20 OC job.
Posted on 2/19/22 at 4:11 pm to baldona
The point you’re missing is that there’s no reason to keep Greene to his contract term. There is, however, reason to keep him until the next president is hired (in charge). Which is soon
You’re going to struggle until you make sense of that
Gogue isn’t going to start a AD hiring process at this point in time and it’s not helpful for Auburn to have an AD’s contract expire. Resolution comes between May and January and you can bet it won’t be January
You’re going to struggle until you make sense of that
Gogue isn’t going to start a AD hiring process at this point in time and it’s not helpful for Auburn to have an AD’s contract expire. Resolution comes between May and January and you can bet it won’t be January This post was edited on 2/19/22 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 2/19/22 at 4:37 pm to baldona
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So we’re basically in a position waiting for someone to hire Greene away.
Unless Greene is applying to jobs at Buffalo-level programs like where he came from, nobody is taking this failure off of Auburn’s hands.
But, hey, he looks sharp in a suit and keeps his pants nicely creased and thats all some Auburn people care about.
Posted on 2/19/22 at 4:51 pm to baldona
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but I would have expected someone with some actual OC experience.
Kiseau has been an OC before. He was actually OC for Harsin at Boise in 2020.
Posted on 2/19/22 at 9:15 pm to AUstar
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but I would have expected someone with some actual OC experience.
quote:He seems to be trolling in this whole thread or isn't a fan. Most people already know that the pick for OC is a prior OC (kinda widely known if you read just one article).
Kiseau has been an OC before.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 7:20 am to 88TIger
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He seems to be trolling in this whole thread or isn't a fan. Most people already know that the pick for OC is a prior OC (kinda widely known if you read just one article).
Ha, I actually didn’t know. My bad for assuming some guy that’s a WR coach had multiple previous OC jobs.
It looks like he has 5 years as OC experience, which isn’t exactly helpful imo considering he isn’t moving up and rather keeps getting demotions. He did such a great job at Boise that Harsin went out and hired a guy from the NFL with 0 OC experience?
I’m glad he does have experience though.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 8:36 am to marshallcotiger
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He went too far in making his hire and alienated a very important group of individuals
Honestly, I'm fricking glad he did. F those very important individuals that are just self-serving babies. Sometimes I think we'd be way better off w/o some of them.
Yeah let's put this all on ADAG who can't control a bunch of rich whiney babies. WHO CAN?
Posted on 2/22/22 at 12:20 pm to TemperdTiger
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Honestly, I'm fricking glad he did. F those very important individuals that are just self-serving babies. Sometimes I think we'd be way better off w/o some of them.
Yeah let's put this all on ADAG who can't control a bunch of rich whiney babies. WHO CAN?
I guess we're about to find out if a head coach can succeed in the current CFB environment without their support. Will be interesting to see.
Posted on 2/22/22 at 6:15 pm to baldona
quote:Again you either are a troll or have no clue about our program
Ha, I actually didn’t know. My bad for assuming some guy that’s a WR coach had multiple previous OC jobs.
quote:Who knows but maybe he didn't want to be the OC but still coach. And if you were paying attention when he came in you might know some more information on this cat and what happened.
It looks like he has 5 years as OC experience, which isn’t exactly helpful imo considering he isn’t moving up and rather keeps getting demotions. He did such a great job at Boise that Harsin went out and hired a guy from the NFL with 0 OC experience?
Also, it is worth to take a "demotion" to learn from other staffs in order to gain more knowledge in your craft. Unlike other careers there are no training courses that you can take or educational degrees to make you a better all around coach.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 6:56 am to 88TIger
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Who knows but maybe he didn't want to be the OC but still coach. And if you were paying attention when he came in you might know some more information on this cat and what happened.
I’m not going to apologize for having better things in my life to do then know the entire resumes of all of our staff, especially someone who apparently isn’t good enough to maintain the same positive Auburn as he had at the last school with the same HC when the new guy only lasted a year.
My original point in the OP stands and this board can’t pull their head out of their arse to figure this out.
Greene is a lame duck AD with the BOT at this point. The BOT/ boosters are clearly not supporting him and working with him. If Auburn allows Greene to make another HC decision it’s going to be 2025 most likely until Auburn is back anywhere close to competing for the West.
I’m not advocating to fire Greene, but I don’t think he is working well enough with everyone to benefit the program. That’s bad for all of us.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:00 am to TemperdTiger
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Honestly, I'm fricking glad he did. F those very important individuals that are just self-serving babies. Sometimes I think we'd be way better off w/o some of them. Yeah let's put this all on ADAG who can't control a bunch of rich whiney babies. WHO CAN?
I’ve never met any of them including Greene. No one here likely has good relationships with all involved. Auburn has a history of boosters mingling, but many schools do.
You can fight it all you want, but the reality is you need an AD that is strong enough to work with the boosters and get their trust as well as make his own decisions.
Until that happens, Auburn won’t compete in the NIL environment. I don’t like it, but not accepting that is just being ignorant.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 7:39 am to TheJones
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Greene was hired by Leath and retained only because Gogue doesn’t want to be involved in athletics. New guy is allegedly interested in athletics so I’d anticipate he’s got candidates in mind.
I am sure there is tons of networking that goes on at the higher levels of higher education, but the incoming AU president has been in the AU engineering department for 20 years, with the last 10 as dean of the CoE.
In those positions, do you really rub enough elbows with people from the athletics side at other schools to have a feel for candidates for an AD?
I can see him saying "these are the qualifications I want, these are the areas that he/she needs to be most competent in in," and giving that to a search firm, but I just don't see the new pres having a short list of this person, this person, and this person.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 8:49 am to baldona
Also, who says he doesn't have some of there support, some of this may entirely be speculative that he doesn't.
Posted on 2/23/22 at 9:09 am to TemperdTiger
Greene being weak is one reason why the Harsin controversy went down like it did. Harsin went to Greene and told him he wanted to sit down with the ptb before the vacation. Greene told him there was nobody that could see him. Apparently Gogue told him that wouldnt be a good idea and why's that? Greene obviously isnt calling the shots or else Harsin wouldnt have to go above him.
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Sources familiar with the situation told ESPN that athletic director Allen Greene was not a significant presence in the inquiry of Harsin. Greene has nearly 11 months remaining on his five-year contract, as he's the rare major college athletic director to be in the final year of his contract. It's even more rare for a major college athletic director to have little say in the fate of a coach, as Greene didn't have significant input on the firing of Malzahn after the 2020 season, sources told ESPN.
The hiring of Harsin in December 2020 provided a victory for Greene, as it showed that some of the power had been wrestled from the boosters and trustees and back to the athletic department. (Some prominent boosters had favored former defensive coordinator Kevin Steele as Malzahn's replacement.)
But after Harsin's 6-7 season, which concluded with a five-game losing streak, the boosters appeared to have wrestled control back. Along with the losing, Harsin fired veteran offensive coordinator Mike Bobo, while veteran defensive coordinator Derek Mason left for Oklahoma State. Another Harsin offensive coordinator hire lasted only a few weeks, as Austin Davis, who arrived from the Seahawks, stepped down for personal reasons on Jan. 31 after being hired on Dec. 18.
Harsin then felt undercut by university administration while trying to get answers on salaries for his staff positions, particularly for Davis' replacement. Before leaving for vacation, Harsin asked Greene for some clarity on what the holdup was with the assistants' contracts.
Sources also told ESPN that Gouge informed Harsin before his vacation that it wasn't a good idea to meet with the board of trustees about the assistant coaches' contracts.
Harsin just wanted to "know the game, what's being played here?" a source told ESPN, and couldn't get any answers from Greene, who "really didn't know his own situation."
Posted on 2/23/22 at 9:39 am to baldona
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I’m not going to apologize for having better things in my life to do then know the entire resumes of all of our staff, especially someone who apparently isn’t good enough to maintain the same positive Auburn as he had at the last school with the same HC when the new guy only lasted a year.
But yet you are talking bad about more than two people in this thread without information. You are cluelessly using examples to support your bad talking about Harsin, Greene and the New OC. So it is pretty interesting that you say you are not advocating for firing of Greene but you kind of are...
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