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Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:22 am to Luke
Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:22 am to Luke
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sure, whatever makes you feel better
Kodi Burns was making $250-300k per year at Arizona State. Why would he leave that job to come to Auburn without a raise? Whether or not he is a good coach, the coaching job markte valued him around what we are paying
This isn't a Rhett Lashlee special, Kodi had high paying alternative options out there.
This post was edited on 5/17/16 at 9:24 am
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Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:27 am to GenesChin
He left a stable job at Airzona State where he had just been hired for a 50K promotion at his alma mater where things aren't going so well.
And Luke wants to pay him less
And Luke wants to pay him less
Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:36 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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He was set to make 200K with Arizona State so yes a nice pick me up, but he was already heading that way in salary. I didn't see if he had any other income added to that base from ASU.
I pretty much agree with this.
No eyebrows raised.
Lashlee, on the other hand...
Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:51 am to TheJones
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And Luke wants to pay him less
Kodi Burns is honestly the only person we aren't overpaying for compared to market rate.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:58 am to GenesChin
travis williams base salary is 220k
mcgriff is being paid 500k (250k base). trob was at 550k last year.
i believe auburn is spending about 950k less this year on coaches then last year
mcgriff is being paid 500k (250k base). trob was at 550k last year.
i believe auburn is spending about 950k less this year on coaches then last year
quote:his base salary from auburn is 250k. 425k for personal endorsements & 425k for media appearances.
Look at Kevin Steele's salary and get back to me.
This post was edited on 5/17/16 at 10:05 am
Posted on 5/17/16 at 10:04 am to joeyb147
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i believe auburn is spending about 950k less this year on coaches then last year
That is a little misleading given that we are lost the highest paid position coach, defensive coordinator and top 5 D position coach.
Fountain, Garner, Lashlee and arguably Steele all seem to be paid significantly more than their value on the open market.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 10:23 am to Luke
What I find funny, is the number of people worried about salaries, when they have done nothing more than pay tuition to attend said school.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 10:26 am to GenesChin
Except it's not misleading because it's a fact and we paid those guys pretty much the same thing last year
Posted on 5/17/16 at 10:41 am to GenesChin
quote:fountain is at 325k. jay boulware is making 330k at OU. steve ensminger is making 310k at lsu. john lilly made 350k last year at uga. bobby willimas at 440k at alabama. tim brewster at 430k at fsu.
Fountain, Garner, Lashlee and arguably Steele all seem to be paid significantly more than their value on the open market.
rodney garner is at 600k (hes also the assoc-hc, not just dl). randy shannon is at 600k. greg mattison is at 600k. frank wilson was at 660k as a recruiting coord/rb coach. rocker is at 500k.
lashlee is at 600k. schottenheimer was at 960k. cameron is at 1.5mil. kiffin at 680k. josh henson at 675k. scott frost was at 755k. (robb smith at 750k & barry odom at 625k both with about as much coordinating experience as lashlee, smith way less).
steele is roughly at the same price he was paid for at lsu. made 700k at alabama in 2014 as a lb coach. pruitt was at 1.3mil. grantham at 1.3mil. lorenzo ward was paid 750k as a co-dc with hoke at usce (hoke paid 750k also listed as db coach where ward was strictly titled co-dc).
inb4 hurr who else would pay them that much bc my emotional opinions on them outweigh logical thought processes
This post was edited on 5/17/16 at 10:47 am
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:16 am to AUCE05
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I mean, we loved DC because he is our ex QB, but he was a terrible WR coach. At least KB has played the position, and coached there before.
We don't know that DC was a "terrible WR coach"
He didn't have much to work with Sammy and Ricardo both have stone hands.
It's widely known now that DC wanted to be more involved in the offense. My guess is different plays / different routes / different players.
It's unfair to label him a bad wr coach given that our HC has a mickey mouse passing offense.
Also, Kodi should kiss DCs arse for leaving the pantry stocked. If we have immediate success people will rave about KB being a great wr coach but in reality DC pulled in 2 wr's that were both at one time listed as #1 in the country
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:23 am to AUtigR24
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We don't know that DC was a "terrible WR coach"
He didn't have much to work with Sammy and Ricardo both have stone hands.
quote:its absolutely astounding the amount of spin some of you do to play to your favorites, whether its coaches or players
It's unfair to label him a bad wr coach given that our HC has a mickey mouse passing offense.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:51 am to Luke
This really is not that big of an issue at all.
Burns was named WR coach, and CO-OC. He is paid commensurate with the title and job.
Melt on Luketa and others.
Burns was named WR coach, and CO-OC. He is paid commensurate with the title and job.
Melt on Luketa and others.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:52 am to joeyb147
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its absolutely astounding the amount of spin some of you do to play to your favorites, whether its coaches or players
It's really awesome to watch
Definitely not DC's fault that our receivers can't receive nor that we lack any trace of a developed receiver behind them.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:56 am to TheJones
the fact that he was hired in the first place is interesting considering how little experience he has at the position or in coaching... him working at a UNA/Troy/Valdosta is understandable. this smells of Malzhan buying yes men to circle the wagons, if CGM fails and is subsequently fired after this fall AU is once again left holding the bag for poor choices and bad investments
Posted on 5/17/16 at 12:06 pm to joeyb147
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inb4 hurr who else would pay them that much bc my emotional opinions on them outweigh logical thought processes
My biggest issue is the marginal cost we pay for relatively minor performance upgrades. We consistently pay big money for hiring away just above avg career guys instead of looking for up and coming guys.
Big reason I love the Burns/TWill hires. I'd rather swing for the fences on them for less money. I liked Lashlee when first hired too
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rodney garner is at 600k
My issue with Garner is recent performance (UGA + AU) isn't top 5 salary worthy, I'll cave on historical performance + longevity. Garner by himself isn't bad, when combined though it is a red flag
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steele is roughly at the same price he was paid for at lsu
Steele got a 25% raise from LSU, which was $250k. He should be roughly the #3-4 highest paid assistant (OC or DC) in the country next year. For a guy who has never recorded a top 15 total defense in his coaching career, that is slightly alarming.
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lashlee is at 600k.
I'm not getting into the Lashlee production argument. Malzahn tied his ship to Lashlee and thinks he's valuable and we won't know until later.
This is more of a philosophical issue, in that we hired a former OC+QB coach as head coach, who supposedly handed complete D control to the DC.
Seems weird that we would also have a top 10 paid OC paired with a top paid HC who focuses on the offensive side of the ball.
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fountain is at 325k.
That isn't even comparable to the others. Not only does he have significantly less experience/record of success, we rarely use TEs then HBacks crosstrain + haven't been excellent.
. jay boulware Also RB coach + more experience
. steve ensminger Uses a 2TE sets frequently
john lilly Uses TEs more often
bobby willimas Former HC and better track record
Posted on 5/17/16 at 12:17 pm to Luke
We hired Gus to run HIS offense. Why would we then want him to hire people to challenge his thinking? Let him die or thrive by doing it his way. Gene Chizik's brought in different guys each year to challenge him and he lost the whole team
Why would you promote a team environment where the coach is being second guessed by subordinate staff members? You guys are off the rails.
Why would you promote a team environment where the coach is being second guessed by subordinate staff members? You guys are off the rails.
This post was edited on 5/17/16 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 5/17/16 at 12:23 pm to GenesChin
With Steele - We needed a good coach or good recruiter. Guys that are good at both aren't touching Auburn right now. Ones that do are going to be here for a year and then take half our coaching staff with them when they leave.
We overpaid Steele to walk into an unstable job. We paid Garner to walk into an unstable job. That involves more money.
The concept of fans bickering over how much we spend on coaches is unbelievable. It makes no difference. There aren't any salary caps we are working under
I'm a fricking economist and even I don't care.
We overpaid Steele to walk into an unstable job. We paid Garner to walk into an unstable job. That involves more money.
The concept of fans bickering over how much we spend on coaches is unbelievable. It makes no difference. There aren't any salary caps we are working under
I'm a fricking economist and even I don't care.
Posted on 5/17/16 at 12:24 pm to TheJones
Exactly. And who gives a frick how much we pay. It doesn't matter
Posted on 5/17/16 at 12:28 pm to TheJones
quote:I work with the best friend of Kevin Steele's daughter (I really do), and according to him, he wants Auburn to be his last job. He wants to stay here a while and then retire. He must view the job with some bit of stability, if that is really true.
We overpaid Steele to walk into an unstable job
Posted on 5/17/16 at 12:32 pm to TheJones
Thank you! I knew I wasn't alone.
If my butt were on the line, would I want people around me who thought they knew better, and could potentially undermine me?
Or, would I hire guys who I believed capable, and that knew how I wanted things done?
I may not run my business perfectly, but I run it the way that I believe is the most profitable for both myself, and my employees.
If my butt were on the line, would I want people around me who thought they knew better, and could potentially undermine me?
Or, would I hire guys who I believed capable, and that knew how I wanted things done?
I may not run my business perfectly, but I run it the way that I believe is the most profitable for both myself, and my employees.
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