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Posted on 11/1/15 at 9:41 pm to jangalang
I don't think I've met anyone who says the justice system is perfect.
But plea deals are there for a reason, and are beneficial to both sides. To say otherwise is asinine.
But if you would like to keep throwing straw man arguments around, then there is no point in arguing with you.
But plea deals are there for a reason, and are beneficial to both sides. To say otherwise is asinine.
But if you would like to keep throwing straw man arguments around, then there is no point in arguing with you.
Posted on 11/1/15 at 9:41 pm to jangalang
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Plea bargain as a part of trials is not fair at all. It is just efficient. That is it. Plea bargaining allows the prosecutor to put people away without the evidence and/ or the witnesses that a bench or jury trial would need to put the defendants away.
Except that on their own, plea deals do not take away anyone's right to a fair trial. It's simply a legal agreement where you wave your right to defend yourself for a lesser punishment. In and of themselves, plea deals violate no Constitutional requirements or the due process of law. Now, if you want to argue that public defenders are either incompetent OR (more likely) overworked and thus inefficient, that's another discussion.
Posted on 11/1/15 at 9:46 pm to jangalang
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I've already posted twice that it's the whole system that is jacked up, not just the plea deals. And you should have been able to infer that from all of my posts as well. I'm not apologizing for your incompetence at understanding coherent sentences.
And I've posted many times that I wasn't arguing about the system as a whole. I was focusing on plea deals only.
Posted on 11/1/15 at 9:47 pm to DoreonthePlains
Don't attack me like I'm the only one throwing around ad hominums. I didn't even care about plea deals; I was just trying to say that plea deals doesn't necessarily mean defendants will get a fair trial!
On their own, plea bargains are just legal instruments, no shite. I wasnt arguing against that. As a whole, they can be coercive if prosecutors threaten to throw the book at the defendants.
On their own, plea bargains are just legal instruments, no shite. I wasnt arguing against that. As a whole, they can be coercive if prosecutors threaten to throw the book at the defendants.
This post was edited on 11/1/15 at 10:45 pm
Posted on 11/1/15 at 9:48 pm to jangalang
What do you think improves by taking away plea deals?
And how much time did you do when you were "coerced" to accept yours?
And how much time did you do when you were "coerced" to accept yours?
This post was edited on 11/1/15 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 11/1/15 at 9:51 pm to beaver
Posted on 11/1/15 at 9:54 pm to jangalang
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. I didn't even care about plea deals; I was just trying to say that plea deals doesn't necessarily mean defendants will get a fair trial
Does not equal:
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And the plea deals do deprive the citizens of their right from a trial.
Posted on 11/1/15 at 9:55 pm to jangalang
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I didn't even care about plea deals
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Plea bargaining is straight up unconstitutional.
These statements are directly contradictory. You may not have started by trying to tear down plea bargains, but you certainly got there.
No one said plea deals guarantee a fair trial. The only argument close to that was that if you lack the ability to hire a defender and the public defender is a joke then you have a way to minimize the damage.
For what's it worth, I agree that we have a lot of issues in the legal system, especially concerning the poor. However, I'm not ready to just blast public defenders though because many of them are overworked. It's a very complex system, and one I certainly don't know well enough to pick apart to find the "root" of the issue, much less how to fix it.
Posted on 11/1/15 at 9:56 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Rocky, the government was supposed to actually work to take away a man's life or liberty. That was the founder's intentions anyway.
And quit hitting on me...
And quit hitting on me...
This post was edited on 11/1/15 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 11/1/15 at 9:57 pm to DoreonthePlains
No, it's not contradictory, because my OP was aimed at private prisons not plea dealing. Try again.
Posted on 11/1/15 at 10:00 pm to jangalang
I said you started out on other topics, but you did certainly make an attack on the use of plea deals by calling them unconstitutional. You made a comment say they should not be allowed, so clearly you have SOME issue with them. Just because something is not your main point or is only supporting evidence does not mean you can say you are not concerned with it.
Posted on 11/1/15 at 10:01 pm to jangalang
Well you and I disagree on that basis so I will just leave the arguing to the rest of you.
And I can't help myself. I hit on a lot of people. I have no boundaries by which I live.
And I can't help myself. I hit on a lot of people. I have no boundaries by which I live.
Posted on 11/1/15 at 10:01 pm to DoreonthePlains
There's no use
Posted on 11/1/15 at 10:03 pm to DoreonthePlains
Yeah, many scholars consider it unconstitutional as well. What is your point? Those two statements were not contradicting though because YOU took them out of context.
Posted on 11/1/15 at 10:11 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
No boundaries huh? How many times have you done a blumpkin rocky?
This post was edited on 11/1/15 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 11/1/15 at 10:13 pm to jangalang
I love bumpkins when they are available.
Posted on 11/1/15 at 10:19 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Good because I hear Weagle is the blumpkin Queen.
Posted on 11/1/15 at 10:22 pm to jangalang
Kind says a lot about who you are hanging out with more than anything.
How often are you the receiver?
How often are you the receiver?
Posted on 11/1/15 at 10:26 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
I still feel like you are hitting on me. Are you just attracted to people that can school three other dudes while typing on his phone? I mean I have been told that I am a mixture between Fergie and Jesus.
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