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Posted on 3/21/21 at 1:02 am to CorchJay
Posted on 3/21/21 at 1:02 am to CorchJay
You say that but, despite how obvious it is, you don’t have an example.
I lived through the Joey Gatewood infatuation. I’m ready and willing to believe it’s real but I haven’t seen it
Someone just point me to it
I lived through the Joey Gatewood infatuation. I’m ready and willing to believe it’s real but I haven’t seen it
Someone just point me to it
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Posted on 3/21/21 at 1:04 am to TheJones
quote:CorchJay
Someone just point me to it
Posted on 3/21/21 at 1:07 am to awestruck
Any reports of recruits?
Posted on 3/21/21 at 1:09 am to awestruck
I want this to be true. I just haven’t seen it
Posted on 3/21/21 at 2:10 am to TheJones
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“This was good for us, not just because we had fans here and playing in front of them, but it provided that environment we needed, but just go back to last spring, there was no spring practice, this is our third practice. Having fans here brought nerves to the players and that’s a good thing,” said Harsin.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 3:31 am to CorchJay
You keep saying it’s everywhere but never link anything to back it up. You should be able to link us to 3-5 sources easily with it being everywhere.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 3:49 am to TheJones
[quote]LINK ]
I can tell you on the War Rapport Podcast on youtube a lot of the followers and even some of the WR guys believe this to be true. They talk about it in nearly every single podcast at some point and you can see in the live chats the other guys that believe this.I have seen it on other boards as well but I refuse to go searching for it lol.
I can tell you on the War Rapport Podcast on youtube a lot of the followers and even some of the WR guys believe this to be true. They talk about it in nearly every single podcast at some point and you can see in the live chats the other guys that believe this.I have seen it on other boards as well but I refuse to go searching for it lol.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 5:09 am to TheJones
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I lived through the Joey Gatewood infatuation.
Jville's boy is killing it at Kentucky. Just like he said he would be
Posted on 3/21/21 at 5:13 am to AUEE13
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-I-formation!
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-Davis looks a little short.
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-Neat trick play where Nix gave to Tank, who threw it back to Nix, then Nix threw downfield to a receiver.
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-Pegues and Frazier seemed to get a lot of reps with the 1s. They were often in together on 2 TE sets.
Auburn board be like
Posted on 3/21/21 at 5:37 am to Tigerpro2a
Which podcast in particular, and your link has nothing to do with Davis or the podcast if that was the intent.
This post was edited on 3/21/21 at 5:46 am
Posted on 3/21/21 at 9:27 am to Tigerpro2a
Tigerproa exactly and many other podcasts and other boards.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 10:10 am to CorchJay
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Not sure what you are looking at but the davis hype is everywhere. So down play it all you want but there is a large group that thinks Davis is starting by the end of the season
Ok, I'll take the bait.
Based on what is the chatter that Davis will be starting by the end of the season?
What have they seen in film or in 3 practices that they know Davis will take over the QB position?
Posted on 3/21/21 at 11:20 am to CorchJay
Link them?
Real simple and I will help if you don’t know how. Just copy and paste the several links (URL’s) into a post and I will help from there because I’m a nice guy.
Real simple and I will help if you don’t know how. Just copy and paste the several links (URL’s) into a post and I will help from there because I’m a nice guy.
This post was edited on 3/21/21 at 11:21 am
Posted on 3/21/21 at 11:28 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
I will give CJ this, he rustles many of you.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 11:43 am to AUCE05
Wait, so asking for links to back up an assertion is considered rustled in your time here? What a low bar you have set.
I have been to a couple of boards and can’t seem to find anything. I am truly interested in seeing what people are basing their opinion of Davis on. That is a significant move to supplant Nix, no?
Have you seen chatter on Davis outside of here? I haven’t had time to hunt down the podcast he mentioned yet.
I have been to a couple of boards and can’t seem to find anything. I am truly interested in seeing what people are basing their opinion of Davis on. That is a significant move to supplant Nix, no?
Have you seen chatter on Davis outside of here? I haven’t had time to hunt down the podcast he mentioned yet.
This post was edited on 3/21/21 at 11:46 am
Posted on 3/21/21 at 11:56 am to AuSteeler
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Davis never does anything at Auburn and eventually transfers out. Not because I think he's not good or anything, but due to timing and the reality behind a complete coaching change. Let's lay a few things out:
1) Harsin and Bobo didn't recruit this kid, he was inherited from the old staff...which ran a completely different offensive system. This is a big point that is overlooked. They have no allegiance to this kid. Harsin is a QB by trade as was Bobo - they have their own strong opinions in terms of what they want at this position and the offense they envision. If you notice, none of the QB's that they have prioritized to date in recruiting are really "dual-threat" guys and basically all of them fit the more traditional size aspect of the position. They will not prioritize "scrambling" at QB, at which point now you're talking about a 5'10 QB trying to fit in a more traditional offense. Yeah you have Russell Wilson and Drew Brees, and Davis has had success as a passer (...in HS), but those are rare talents (hence why they're HOF type players). In this regard, Davis is going to be playing from behind and will REALLY need to impress to earn his shot.
2) To further elaborate on what I mean by "timing": Nix is going to have to really suck a lot in order to lose his job to a true-Freshman 5'10 QB. Period. So what does that have to do with Davis' future? Well, if Nix starts this year as expected and shows any improvement, then he'd obviously be even less likely to lose his job as a Senior. He'd have to play out of his mind to leave for the NFL after his Junior season, and I just don't foresee that much improvement that quickly (if at all). Now, if Nix ends up being the guy for another 2 years, we run into the reality where Harsin's/Bobo's QB recruits will OVERLAP with Davis' "window". I see people talking as if Davis is a shoe-in to either replace Nix right away or at minimum guaranteed to be the "next guy up" after Nix leaves. Circle back to point #1 above: there is a very real possibility that he gets "jumped" entirely by one of the Harsin/Bobo guys if Nix actually ends up holding the job down for another 2 years: like the Holden Geriner kid who has more natural arm talent than Davis does. Under this scenario, Geriner and whoever else we end up taking this year (it looks like they envision a two-QB class) will likely be coming off redshirt seasons and now its open game for the starting QB position. No matter what anyone tells you, there is no reality where Davis is "guaranteed" to walk into the starting QB position. And the longer Nix is here and starting, the more competition Davis will have to go up against as he will be competing with guys that Harsin/Bobo actually recruited themselves. This is a very very easy scenario for a guy like him to get "lost" in the shuffle, which isn't being talked about enough.
Now, having said all of that it is entirely possible that Davis is for real and is the truth, in which case yes he absolutely can and WOULD end up being the "guy" at QB whenever that opportunity may present itself, but the people who are taking that stance without him having shown really anything on the field are jumping the gun big time. The people who seem to be touting this opinion cite his HS stats and "success" as if this is some guarantee of his abilities. The reality is that he played for one of the most dominant HS teams in the country. Yes, he is part of that team and is a big part of that success, but very very few QB recruits play on the same HS team as a ~Top 150 WR (the kid that signed with A&M was rated even higher than Davis) and multiple other D1 talents. Their team is stacked so of course you would expect the QB of that team to win games and put up numbers. That isn't a knock on Davis, but it's also not a "proof" to claim: "He won 'X' games in HS and look at his stats! That means he's for real". This is the same reason why when NFL teams evaluate QB's, they don't just look at who won the most games or put up the best numbers. Both of those "metrics" are impacted by other factors.
1) Harsin and Bobo didn't recruit this kid, he was inherited from the old staff...which ran a completely different offensive system. This is a big point that is overlooked. They have no allegiance to this kid. Harsin is a QB by trade as was Bobo - they have their own strong opinions in terms of what they want at this position and the offense they envision. If you notice, none of the QB's that they have prioritized to date in recruiting are really "dual-threat" guys and basically all of them fit the more traditional size aspect of the position. They will not prioritize "scrambling" at QB, at which point now you're talking about a 5'10 QB trying to fit in a more traditional offense. Yeah you have Russell Wilson and Drew Brees, and Davis has had success as a passer (...in HS), but those are rare talents (hence why they're HOF type players). In this regard, Davis is going to be playing from behind and will REALLY need to impress to earn his shot.
2) To further elaborate on what I mean by "timing": Nix is going to have to really suck a lot in order to lose his job to a true-Freshman 5'10 QB. Period. So what does that have to do with Davis' future? Well, if Nix starts this year as expected and shows any improvement, then he'd obviously be even less likely to lose his job as a Senior. He'd have to play out of his mind to leave for the NFL after his Junior season, and I just don't foresee that much improvement that quickly (if at all). Now, if Nix ends up being the guy for another 2 years, we run into the reality where Harsin's/Bobo's QB recruits will OVERLAP with Davis' "window". I see people talking as if Davis is a shoe-in to either replace Nix right away or at minimum guaranteed to be the "next guy up" after Nix leaves. Circle back to point #1 above: there is a very real possibility that he gets "jumped" entirely by one of the Harsin/Bobo guys if Nix actually ends up holding the job down for another 2 years: like the Holden Geriner kid who has more natural arm talent than Davis does. Under this scenario, Geriner and whoever else we end up taking this year (it looks like they envision a two-QB class) will likely be coming off redshirt seasons and now its open game for the starting QB position. No matter what anyone tells you, there is no reality where Davis is "guaranteed" to walk into the starting QB position. And the longer Nix is here and starting, the more competition Davis will have to go up against as he will be competing with guys that Harsin/Bobo actually recruited themselves. This is a very very easy scenario for a guy like him to get "lost" in the shuffle, which isn't being talked about enough.
Now, having said all of that it is entirely possible that Davis is for real and is the truth, in which case yes he absolutely can and WOULD end up being the "guy" at QB whenever that opportunity may present itself, but the people who are taking that stance without him having shown really anything on the field are jumping the gun big time. The people who seem to be touting this opinion cite his HS stats and "success" as if this is some guarantee of his abilities. The reality is that he played for one of the most dominant HS teams in the country. Yes, he is part of that team and is a big part of that success, but very very few QB recruits play on the same HS team as a ~Top 150 WR (the kid that signed with A&M was rated even higher than Davis) and multiple other D1 talents. Their team is stacked so of course you would expect the QB of that team to win games and put up numbers. That isn't a knock on Davis, but it's also not a "proof" to claim: "He won 'X' games in HS and look at his stats! That means he's for real". This is the same reason why when NFL teams evaluate QB's, they don't just look at who won the most games or put up the best numbers. Both of those "metrics" are impacted by other factors.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 12:02 pm to metafour
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I actually wouldn't be surprised if Davis never does anything at Auburn and eventually transfers out. Not because I think he's not good or anything, but due to timing and the reality behind a complete coaching change. Let's lay a few things out:
1) Harsin and Bobo didn't recruit this kid, he was inherited from the old staff...which ran a completely different offensive system. This is a big point that is overlooked. They have no allegiance to this kid. Harsin is a QB by trade as was Bobo - they have their own strong opinions in terms of what they want at this position and the offense they envision. If you notice, none of the QB's that they have prioritized to date in recruiting are really "dual-threat" guys and basically all of them fit the more traditional size aspect of the position. They will not prioritize "scrambling" at QB, at which point now you're talking about a 5'10 QB trying to fit in a more traditional offense. Yeah you have Russell Wilson and Drew Brees, and Davis has had success as a passer (...in HS), but those are rare talents (hence why they're HOF type players). In this regard, Davis is going to be playing from behind and will REALLY need to impress to earn his shot.
2) To further elaborate on what I mean by "timing": Nix is going to have to really suck a lot in order to lose his job to a true-Freshman 5'10 QB. Period. So what does that have to do with Davis' future? Well, if Nix starts this year as expected and shows any improvement, then he'd obviously be even less likely to lose his job as a Senior. He'd have to play out of his mind to leave for the NFL after his Junior season, and I just don't foresee that much improvement that quickly (if at all). Now, if Nix ends up being the guy for another 2 years, we run into the reality where Harsin's/Bobo's QB recruits will OVERLAP with Davis' "window". I see people talking as if Davis is a shoe-in to either replace Nix right away or at minimum guaranteed to be the "next guy up" after Nix leaves. Circle back to point #1 above: there is a very real possibility that he gets "jumped" entirely by one of the Harsin/Bobo guys if Nix actually ends up holding the job down for another 2 years: like the Holden Geriner kid who has more natural arm talent than Davis does. Under this scenario, Geriner and whoever else we end up taking this year (it looks like they envision a two-QB class) will likely be coming off redshirt seasons and now its open game for the starting QB position. No matter what anyone tells you, there is no reality where Davis is "guaranteed" to walk into the starting QB position. And the longer Nix is here and starting, the more competition Davis will have to go up against as he will be competing with guys that Harsin/Bobo actually recruited themselves. This is a very very easy scenario for a guy like him to get "lost" in the shuffle, which isn't being talked about enough.
Now, having said all of that it is entirely possible that Davis is for real and is the truth, in which case yes he absolutely can and WOULD end up being the "guy" at QB whenever that opportunity may present itself, but the people who are taking that stance without him having shown really anything on the field are jumping the gun big time. The people who seem to be touting this opinion cite his HS stats and "success" as if this is some guarantee of his abilities. The reality is that he played for one of the most dominant HS teams in the country. Yes, he is part of that team and is a big part of that success, but very very few QB recruits play on the same HS team as a ~Top 150 WR (the kid that signed with A&M was rated even higher than Davis) and multiple other D1 talents. Their team is stacked so of course you would expect the QB of that team to win games and put up numbers. That isn't a knock on Davis, but it's also not a "proof" to claim: "He won 'X' games in HS and look at his stats! That means he's for real". This is the same reason why when NFL teams evaluate QB's, they don't just look at who won the most games or put up the best numbers. Both of those "metrics" are impacted by other factors.
Good detailed analysis.
In the end, those that ARE predicting Davis to be the starter by the end of the season, I think are basing it more on this...
...That Bo simply will NOT improve on his weaknesses and not move the offense consistently enough, therefore Davis will have to come in to provide a change to see if the offense does better with him...
...That's their reasoning.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 12:08 pm to metafour
A good breakdown. So meta, you are seeing “insiders” and fans hyping up Davis? Where may I ask without sounding rustled? Also, I agree with you is how can one get to that conclusion he will take over with so little to look at early on?
I am not one that is sold on Nix being able to change his mechanics and technique enough to make a big leap forward. If he does, great.
I am not one that is sold on Nix being able to change his mechanics and technique enough to make a big leap forward. If he does, great.
This post was edited on 3/21/21 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 3/21/21 at 12:32 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
We are not using the scientific method here. This is a message board and opinions without sources is apart of the community. We shouldn't have to site sources when adding an opinion. Call him an idiot if you want, but let's keep this board and it's purpose in perspective.
Posted on 3/21/21 at 12:36 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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So meta, you are seeing “insiders” and fans hyping up Davis? Where may I ask without sounding rustled?
I'm not seeing anything concrete or anything past just outright "wishful thinking" because as you just said: the kid hasn't even been here long enough nor have we had enough practice time for anyone to actually determine that outcome. Now if we're deep into summer/fall and we see Davis on the field in scrimmages with the 1's and outperforming Nix, THAT would be your "cue" that this is a real possibility, but not after a handful of practices in spring when they're literally still working on outright installing the offense. I'd argue the fact that they've signalled out Nix already for his work in S&C to even further imply that it's obviously his job to lose (which it is).
The people talking about this are more or less operating under this framework: Bo Nix has not been good (I agree with this) and needs a lot of work (I agree with this), and Davis has had a lot of success in HS so they "expect" this to translate to college. The reality however is that:
1) No college coach wants to start a true Freshman in the SEC, the experience/leg-up that Nix has IS a big deal and will be hard to overcome.
2) HS to the SEC is a massive jump - again, Bo would have to be really bad and/or Davis be really really good (like extremely advanced) to make this a real possibility.
3) I don't even see Davis as being a "natural fit" for the type of offense they foresee (note: this doesn't imply he can't do it). A true Freshman supplanting an established starter would be possible if the new staff's offense completely played to the strengths of the incoming freshman while being the opposite of what the established starter excels at, and this really isn't the case here. This offense is going to be more complex in its terminology and sets. Harsin's offense does go under center and utilizes multiple TE sets. This is NOT a "spread offense". So I'm really not sure why anyone thinks a 5'10 "scrambler" has some sort of leg-up on an established SEC starter, even if that starter has struggled. Its a massive stretch, and its also a massive stretch to expect Davis to pick this offense up that quickly such that he would actually bench Nix. Like I said, Nix will have to suck a lot to lose his job. That isn't an impossibility, but I also don't even see how anyone would conclude that Davis would just be the next man up. I don't foresee Harsin changing his offense.
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