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Posted on 10/13/21 at 6:44 pm to higgs_boson
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I hope he has a senior year like Jason Campbell.
It is funny how we forget that QB’s can improve. Even just having better linemen and receivers can make an average guy look good. I really sympathize with Bo because he hasn’t had a lot of help all 3 years. If he played with UGA’s supporting cast last weekend I bet he’d have torn it up.
Also, Jalen Hurtz is an NFL quarterback now. Development and changing systems can make a world of difference. I’ve got to eat crow for saying he was a fullback who took snaps.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 6:59 pm to metafour
Couldn’t agree more. Well said.
I know bo isn’t getting much help but he’s also shown a small amount of improvement. I think he’s a fantastic athlete but he HAS TO SLOW DOWN. Idk if he’ll do that. I’d love to see what he’s capable of but I just don’t see it happening at this point. I hope he proves me wrong though because I’m pulling for him. Any player who bleeds orange and blue will always be welcome.
We need 3 things on offense to make a mediocre team a really good one. In this order,
1. Better Oline play
2. Better WR play
3. Slow down Bo.
If those three things can get better we have a threatening offense that’ll win way more games and be competitive.
Defensively we aren’t bad although I’m not quite yet a fan of mason over Steele, we can grow though and I’ve seen some things I like, some not so much. It’s the first year though so there’s going to be growing pains. Cant write him off yet.
I know bo isn’t getting much help but he’s also shown a small amount of improvement. I think he’s a fantastic athlete but he HAS TO SLOW DOWN. Idk if he’ll do that. I’d love to see what he’s capable of but I just don’t see it happening at this point. I hope he proves me wrong though because I’m pulling for him. Any player who bleeds orange and blue will always be welcome.
We need 3 things on offense to make a mediocre team a really good one. In this order,
1. Better Oline play
2. Better WR play
3. Slow down Bo.
If those three things can get better we have a threatening offense that’ll win way more games and be competitive.
Defensively we aren’t bad although I’m not quite yet a fan of mason over Steele, we can grow though and I’ve seen some things I like, some not so much. It’s the first year though so there’s going to be growing pains. Cant write him off yet.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 7:02 pm to allin2010
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He is 4th string and will be redshirted
Davis can play in 4 games and still redshirt. I hope he gets some live game action so we see what he can do.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 7:14 pm to AUTubaHerd
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It is funny how we forget that QB’s can improve. Even just having better linemen and receivers can make an average guy look good. I really sympathize with Bo because he hasn’t had a lot of help all 3 years. If he played with UGA’s supporting cast last weekend I bet he’d have torn it up.
Some of you really need to look at Jason Campbell's career stats and stop making that asinine comparison.
Bo Nix in 2.5 seasons has more career pass attempts than Campbell had in his entire 4 year career at Auburn. Bo's 185 pass attempts this season in just 6 games is actually more than Campbell had in both his Freshman and Sophomore seasons at Auburn.
Jason Campbell was never fundamentally inaccurate - he was a 60%+ passer in literally every season at Auburn. He was a 62.3% passer over his first 3 seasons, the ones that people consider to be "bad". In his Senior season he shot up to 69.6%. He had a higher Pass Efficiency Rating than Bo has posted to date in literally every single one of his seasons. His Sophomore season was actually a 149.2 rate season with a 63% completion rate - thats miles better than anything Bo has done to date (his career best is still his true Freshman 125 rate season).
People talk it up as if Jason Campbell was some horrible player until his Senior season, when in reality he was considerably more effective than Bo Nix has been at every step of the way. He was a guy who just needed more reps - which he wasn't getting a lot of, and a consistent offensive system around him.
The issue with Bo Nix is that he has had a TON of reps already - and he's not really making any strides. His statistical numbers are actually frighteningly consistent over 2.5 seasons now. You say he hasn't had a lot of help over 3 years...didn't he play with two NFL receivers for two of those seasons? Yeah the offense around him has been a mess, but he is part of that in many ways. The fact that guys are dropping passes this season doesn't somehow nullify all of the baffling misses he has also made - and that is where it's hard to see any magical improvement that hasn't happened already by now. The kid has 919 career pass attempts - he's been inaccurate from pass 1 to pass 919. What you see is what he is. More talent around him would help, but that is true for any QB. You say "we need to get better at OL and WR"...why stop there? Why not get better at QB too?
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 10/13/21 at 7:17 pm to AUTubaHerd
You’re right on the money. Bo playing for bama or uga would prob be a heisman candidate in all honesty. With the protection, coaching and wide outs playing for keeps i don’t see him not. It really is a shame we can’t get things together more to take advantage of his skill set.
People shite on me for saying I quit watching auburn the past cpl years on here before the season but I just quit caring about it because auburn was in a never ending cycle of mediocrity. I didn’t watch any football because if auburn isn’t in the mix I simply don’t care. I was always pulling for them. But I can’t stand watching us squander our chances away due to bad coaching. I was all aboard the Gus bus for the first 4 years until I finally realized Arkansas was his Super Bowl and we shouldn’t be dating the FUF (fat ugly friend for you old timers) of the SEC. We are Auburn. Arky should be an afterthought for us. It’s like a gigachad swiping right on whales in tinder. We’re better and should hold everyone to that standard in coaching. When they’re coaching to beat arky like it’s the biggest game they lose my support.
People shite on me for saying I quit watching auburn the past cpl years on here before the season but I just quit caring about it because auburn was in a never ending cycle of mediocrity. I didn’t watch any football because if auburn isn’t in the mix I simply don’t care. I was always pulling for them. But I can’t stand watching us squander our chances away due to bad coaching. I was all aboard the Gus bus for the first 4 years until I finally realized Arkansas was his Super Bowl and we shouldn’t be dating the FUF (fat ugly friend for you old timers) of the SEC. We are Auburn. Arky should be an afterthought for us. It’s like a gigachad swiping right on whales in tinder. We’re better and should hold everyone to that standard in coaching. When they’re coaching to beat arky like it’s the biggest game they lose my support.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 7:24 pm to metafour
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You say he hasn't had a lot of help over 3 years...didn't he play with two NFL receivers for two of those seasons?
Who? We all know Schwartz was just the go long guy. Who is the other guy?
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People talk it up as if Jason Campbell was some horrible player until his Senior season, when in reality he was considerably more effective than Bo Nix has been at every step of the way.
Different offenses. Totally different offensive talent and depth
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 10/13/21 at 7:29 pm to Tigers of War
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You’re right on the money. Bo playing for bama or uga would prob be a heisman candidate in all honesty. With the protection, coaching and wide outs playing for keeps i don’t see him not.
What a clown-show comment.
First of all, a QB as inaccurate and inconsistent as Bo Nix would NOT be starting for either of those two teams.
But to play your game, you understand that those Bama and UGA receivers look good in part because their QB's throw accurate passes, correct? It's a two-way street. That white receiver from Georgia that burned us did so on passes that were perfectly thrown by the QB (the first was underthrown a bit, but it was still an easy catch). Bo Nix spent ~2 seasons overthrowing Anthony Schwartz, and this season he has still been wildly inconsistent throwing the ball downfield (he had Javarius Johnson open by as much as that white WR was in one game...and overthrew him by ~5 yards).
You talk as if Bo Nix throws perfect passes, but it's just our darn poor receivers around him that can't make plays for him! Or that Bo Nix always sees the correct read and throws to the open receiver. Or that he always steps into the pocket perfectly and allows the routes on the field to develop.
Yeah he got fricked by Malzahn and the offense around him this year is subpar, but open your fricking eyes: he is as incompetent in a lot of ways as the players around him. The fact that you described him as a Heisman talent playing beside incompetence that just makes him look bad suggests that you have no idea what you're watching on the field.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 7:32 pm to jangalang
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Different offenses. Totally different offensive talent and depth
You're right man, Jason Campbell was playing in West Coast/Pro-Style offenses that asked him to complete much more difficult passes. And he still completed 60%+ a season.
Bo Nix spent 2 seasons playing in Gus Malzahn's offense where he would throw 5-10 screen passes a game (ie: easy completions) and he still couldn't break 60%. Think about that for a second.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 7:46 pm to metafour
Bo would love to have Cooper Wallace, Ronnie Brown, Caddy, Troy Reddick, Slaughter, Marcus McNeil, Ben Grubbs, etc.
You know, people that can actually do their job.
You know, people that can actually do their job.
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 10/13/21 at 7:52 pm to jangalang
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Different offenses. Totally different offensive talent and depth
Now, I will always be a Jason Campbell fan, but in 2003 I was not sure!
But one of the things that strikes me is how little talent we have around our qb atm compared to then.
I think about 2003 --- we had at least three receivers on that team get in the NFL --- pretty sure they could at least catch sometimes. We had Cadillac and Brown on that team as well, for God's sake. We actually had an offensive tackle from that team to eventually go on to the NFL.
And Campbell still had a demonstrably worse season than the year before.
The point is not that Nix will match Campbell, but he can improve --- especially if he gets more talent around him.
At least, that is my hope.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:09 pm to higgs_boson
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The point is not that Nix will match Campbell, but he can improve --- especially if he gets more talent around him.
I think this is a fair post. At this point the question is can our OL improve to enable the big strides though.. We have upperclassman at OL. Sure there aren’t big strides from the passing department, but I still don’t know what anybody can expect from Nix right now.
I’ve seen enough shite sandwich offense this year to believe Bo is the casualty of his offense. 2019 it wasn’t like that. 2020 not so much either. But this year we are literally begging him to do hero ball. If Bo consistently had time to throw or had legit options at receiver, I’d be right along with meta. But he doesn’t and I’m not putting this on Bo. Find me any veteran QB that can deal with this offense and have success.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:16 pm to jangalang
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Bo would love to have Cooper Wallace, Ronnie Brown, Caddy, Troy Reddick, Slaughter, Marcus McNeil, Ben Grubbs, etc.
You know, people that can actually do their job.
Does any part of the equation involve Bo doing HIS job?
This is a serious question. There are a few of you on this board who literally talk as if he plays perfect football - but he's just let down time after time after time.
Do you even watch the games? Here are two plays against Georgia that pop into my mind immediately:
Play #1 - we're inside UGA's 15 yard line. The ball is fumbled, and miraculously it bounces back into his hands. He does one of the dumbest things ever and instead of taking a sack, he tries to flail the ball into the ground as he's being taken down. It is initially called a fumble (and UGA's ball) and we LUCKILY have the call overturned. Just zero football awareness of where you are on the field or what to do on a loose ball drill.
Play #2 - we're inside Georgia's 15 or 20 yard line. The protection breaks down, and he bolts. I swear to God he must have ran about 20 yards backwards before LUCKILY being able to throw the ball away before the Georgia defender who was chasing him started to make contact. Once again, zero positional awareness. This play was about a millisecond away from being a ~20 yard loss, and I think that Harsin would have taken his soul right then and there on the field had it played out like that.
The other players on the offense around Bo get their fair and deserved criticism when they don't do their jobs. To come back here week after week after week and talk as if Bo Nix "does his job" every play, is so brainless that I struggle to understand that I'm talking to real people. Yes, we all know the OL gets beat a lot and the WR's have been bad. What about when the OL actually blocks their guy and the spazz with the ball starts running from phantom pressure? What about when the ball is delivered 5 yards over the head of the receiver? Who's fault is that?
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:19 pm to metafour
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The issue with Bo Nix is that he has had a TON of reps already
And the reason top-tier draft picks go to the Browns and develop psychological complexes and career ending injuries is because they go to teams that don’t block.
I get that Nix isn’t perfect. I don’t expect perfect play at the college level. We just fired a coach because linemen wouldn’t commit to play for him.
Can he get a season’s worth of reps with an average offensive line before we discount him?
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:22 pm to TheMidnightTiger
I don’t get the Bo hate. I love that kid. He plays hard for Auburn and gives it 100% effort every play. Can’t fault him for that. He misses a thing or two here and there but he is not the problem. That brown sphere he carries around in his hand is meant to be both thrown and caught.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:23 pm to metafour
Stan White started at Berry from his freshman year. Came to AU and started as a freshman and started for four years. Did OK for three years 60/40 TD/INT ratio. Then figured things out. Bo isn't even putting up even 60/40 TD/INT stats. He doesn't throw picks. He's not Cam Newton but he's not why AU isn't finishing drives for TD's.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:26 pm to metafour
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This is a serious question. There are a few of you on this board who literally talk as if he plays perfect football
Who says this?
Hoping that a qb gets above 50% completion consistently does not equate perfection.
I think others have done it and show he ranks the highest on several metrics for our offensive players. Now that may make him the mayor of mediocrity, but he was the best amongst the bunch.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:30 pm to AUTubaHerd
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And the reason top-tier draft picks go to the Browns and develop psychological complexes and career ending injuries is because they go to teams that don’t block.
I get that Nix isn’t perfect. I don’t expect perfect play at the college level. We just fired a coach because linemen wouldn’t commit to play for him.
Can he get a season’s worth of reps with an average offensive line before we discount him?
I'm well aware that it's very possible that his internal clock is fundamentally broken from years of poor protection (although I'd like to remind you that he played the exact same way in HS - just running around on every snap with zero restraint).
But if that's the case, then you understand that he has no business being relied upon to start, right? This isn't the "everyone gets a trophy" league. We don't have 4 seasons to hope and pray that "golly-gee, if all the pieces around him are PERFECT, perhaps he'll be a good QB!".
If Gus Malzahn ruined him permanently, then I feel bad for his poor luck, but that doesn't mean that you trot him out for 4 seasons under the pretense that what - he might improve? Do some of ya'll understand that Oklahoma is benching Spencer Rattler, who came into this season as the #1 QB on basically every NFL Draft board? But Bo Nix with his 2.5 years of ~57% completion percentage is entitled to MORE TIME?
I've said this a million times by nowe: the only reason why you're willing to give him this infinite leash is because of who his father is. If this was "Bo Taylor" you would have asked for him to never see the field 1.5 seasons ago, and definitely not after last season.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:33 pm to jangalang
Oops. I am also realizing I am too drunk to contribute.''
All I can thinking about now is how bad the 2003 team made me feel. Good night all
All I can thinking about now is how bad the 2003 team made me feel. Good night all
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:35 pm to metafour
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Does any part of the equation involve Bo doing HIS job?
Again, he has graded way better than his teammates. Even against Georgia he didn’t even play bad at all. I really don’t know what you are talking about.
I stopped reading there.
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