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re: Passing Charts vs Mizzou + MSU
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:13 am to GenesChin
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:13 am to GenesChin
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This isn't new to Stidham. Gus doesn't coach the check down.
Agreed on that but Lindsey used the check down extensively at AZST & USM. He's brought some of those same ideas over. But I am not just saying it's a Stidham problem. It's multiple issues. We aren't giving him a check down enough of the time and sometimes when we do he isn't looking for it or the back isn't ready for it. Definitely needs to improve moving forward
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:21 am to GenesChin
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The crazier part of the gif he posted is viewing the routes as a whole instead of individually. Our route concepts frequently bunch things together
GIF1 - All 3 field side receivers in trips run ~5yard Dig/cruddy slant routes over the middle. Ya, it is 3&4 but that's absurd
Nothing wrong with the concept (tho I did mislabel them as slants), just the execution. Short yardage situation so we are running a quick hitting play. However, Ryan Davis doesn't get out of his break quick enough and Stidham bails too quickly. If he throws it to Ryan Davis right before he breaks he hits him for first down
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:24 am to Blizzard of Chizz
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Looking at the gifs you posted, there are no quick slants being run by any of those receivers. A quick slant is all about leverage while getting upfield and the qb delivering the ball in the 5 to 8 yard range to a wr who is able to catch it in stride. Let's look at the first one you posted. There are 3 receivers to the top on a 3rd and 4. Look at the routes they run. All 3 run straight ahead and square the routes in at the first down marker. So not only do we get 3 wr's in the same area at the same time, none of them sold the routes as anything else. The db's just sat there and waited. The end result is that there was nowhere to go with the ball and it ended with a sac.
You are right in that I mislabeled that play. Not a slant but in routes. I still think the play design is fine, we just didn't execute
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Now take the same formation and have the inside guy running a seam route up the hash or a deep post. That clears the middle of the field for middle receiver to drive to the outside shoulder of the db to turn his hips. Once his hips turn the receiver should be cutting/ slanting underneath him as the qb is delivering him the ball as he runs open across the middle. This is basic football passing and catching, and for the life of me I can't understand why Gus chooses not to implement simple techniques of leverage that allow his receivers to run themselves open in short yardage situations.
We have run concepts like this
You have Ryan Davis on the seam, Eli Stove running option route that he breaks outside and then KD on a deeper in route. Stidham hits NCM on the backside slant route
We have intermediate concepts in our passing scheme. I do think we could run more of them. However, a lot of it is execution and Stidham/WRs being in rhythm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 11:25 am to TigerPaw1
FWIW nice to actually talk football on this site 
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:53 pm to jvilletiger25
Why does this thread blame Gus for the route tree now? It is clearly Chip's. Compare this season to last or any other year under Gus.
Sometimes QB's are more comfortable with certain throws. So far this year JS has been picked twice in the middle of the field on intermediate throws. It isn't unusual for a QB to shy away from making those throws.
Sometimes QB's are more comfortable with certain throws. So far this year JS has been picked twice in the middle of the field on intermediate throws. It isn't unusual for a QB to shy away from making those throws.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:05 pm to Tigerman97
Based on everything mentioned above, it does appear we have more complex routes than in previous years. As posters have stated, there are a combination of factors:
Stidham shaking off rust, including not holding on so long and trusting teammates
Stidham and WRs working on chemistry/timing
WRs creating separation
Oline gelling
RB play/pass pro
I do think the last is a big reason why Gus and Chip are relying so heavily on KJ and KP even though they're not healthy. The younger guys might not be getting the pass pro aspect of the position.
Stidham shaking off rust, including not holding on so long and trusting teammates
Stidham and WRs working on chemistry/timing
WRs creating separation
Oline gelling
RB play/pass pro
I do think the last is a big reason why Gus and Chip are relying so heavily on KJ and KP even though they're not healthy. The younger guys might not be getting the pass pro aspect of the position.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:20 pm to TigerPaw1
NCM was open, but jesus is that a terrible route. No wonder he struggles getting open
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:25 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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GoCrazyAuburn
Loved your stuff from AE
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:34 pm to Tigerman97
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Why does this thread blame Gus for the route tree now
You've been here since '14 and you don't have a AU SB scorecard?
Bad things are directly attributed to Gus or his meddling and if able, we connect them directly to the AD or boosters.
The good things are completely out of Gus's control. If the team is improving, it means Gus is out of the way. I'm not sure anyone is trying to credit Gus with improvement on the route trees. JS's INTs were clearly Gus meddling.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:40 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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NCM was open, but jesus is that a terrible route. No wonder he struggles getting open
It really is
I do think that's NCM's problem right now. He's just not running sharp enough routes to get separation against better secondaries
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:44 pm to TheGusBus
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Loved your stuff from AE
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:49 pm to atlau
quote:It isn't a significant part of Gus's offense. He runs up the middle. Spreads the defense with jet sweeps and screens. And throws the deep ball off of play action and/or double moves.
Can someone who knows x's and o's explain why this is?
Very few across the middle and intermediate level designed passes.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 2:51 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
I miss AE
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:02 pm to TheGusBus
I'm sorry for your loss.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:24 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
You don't?
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:27 pm to TheGusBus
Posted on 10/3/17 at 3:39 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
I always liked it there. I miss the CBS board too lol
Posted on 10/3/17 at 4:30 pm to TheGusBus
Nobody misses the YuKo board?
Posted on 10/3/17 at 4:35 pm to GenesChin
He seemed to see it fine at Baylor. I honestly just don't think people are getting separation.
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