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Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:10 pm to GenesChin
Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:10 pm to GenesChin
Good lord.
I said after year 5, not 3 or 4. Quit moving the goal posts when your damn argument was about getting a sixth year of eligibility.
And your 5 key players span a decade and hundreds of players who suited up in an Auburn uniform.
Or the 4 span 7 years and almost two hundred players who signed scholarship papers for Auburn. And played on teams that averaged 4+ losses a season.
You recruit players to make an immediate impact. Not wait for them to maybe do something 4+ years later. There's a reason why Adams and Daniel were playing a lot more snaps than Carter. Why Lawson took over Equae and Delanies minutes. Why McKinzy is ahead of Swain. Why Holsey was ahead of Smith. Why Dismukes jumped Tunde.
I said after year 5, not 3 or 4. Quit moving the goal posts when your damn argument was about getting a sixth year of eligibility.
And your 5 key players span a decade and hundreds of players who suited up in an Auburn uniform.
Or the 4 span 7 years and almost two hundred players who signed scholarship papers for Auburn. And played on teams that averaged 4+ losses a season.
You recruit players to make an immediate impact. Not wait for them to maybe do something 4+ years later. There's a reason why Adams and Daniel were playing a lot more snaps than Carter. Why Lawson took over Equae and Delanies minutes. Why McKinzy is ahead of Swain. Why Holsey was ahead of Smith. Why Dismukes jumped Tunde.
This post was edited on 3/21/14 at 11:14 pm
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:19 pm to joeyb147
Not going through rosters so I am forgetting guys but a number of guys that were solid contributors would not have gone to the nfl even if they had a fifth year is my point. Don't see how you are making that argument. When I get time I'll go through rosters and give you better names. Also we sucked so bad there just erent contributors but I'll give you some from other schools
Also, I don't have a problem recruiting guys to make immediate impacts but not all (especially on DL/OL) are ready to make that impact freshman year and red shorting a player is not all about increased eligibility. Redshirts go through RS workouts which are way better for building muscle and what not since they can lift 6 days a week.
Look, I don't disagree that if they help the team win they should play but if there isn't a huge difference, they should be redshirted.
Also, from a players perspective, flat our heard Jonathan jones be pissed about not being redshirted since he was only on ST and he wanted to bulk up.
Also, I don't have a problem recruiting guys to make immediate impacts but not all (especially on DL/OL) are ready to make that impact freshman year and red shorting a player is not all about increased eligibility. Redshirts go through RS workouts which are way better for building muscle and what not since they can lift 6 days a week.
Look, I don't disagree that if they help the team win they should play but if there isn't a huge difference, they should be redshirted.
Also, from a players perspective, flat our heard Jonathan jones be pissed about not being redshirted since he was only on ST and he wanted to bulk up.
This post was edited on 3/21/14 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:42 pm to GenesChin
quote:What is "number"? What teams are we talking about?
Not going through rosters so I am forgetting guys but a number of guys that were solid contributors would not have gone to the nfl even if they had a fifth year is my point.
If we are talking about a "number" of guys who wouldn't make the NFL being a big part of Auburn's teams in 07, 08, 09, 10, 11, 12... well, then I can tell you one of the reasons why Auburn averaged 5 losses a season over that stretch. Take out Cam Newton (let's say 4 losses that year), and the average jumps to over 5.5 losses a year.
quote:Don't see how losing on average of 5 games a year isn't good?
Don't see how you are making that argument.
quote:I sincerely hope you don't have a problem with that. If so, you shouldn't even be in the recruiting thread. In actuality, you shouldn't even follow recruiting.
Also, I don't have a problem recruiting guys to make immediate impacts
quote:Yes, I know this quite well. I have never advocated that RS wasn't a good thing, for certain players. I believe GRob needed it. Miller and Young both needed it but couldn't do it. Kozan needed it and it has shown. Dominic Walker needed it. Trovon needed it as well, but that was when Chizik didn't give a shite if they actually worked out.
but not all (especially on DL/OL) are ready to make that impact freshman year and red shorting a player is not all about increased eligibility. Redshirts go through RS workouts which are way better for building muscle and what not since they can lift 6 days a week.
quote:Adams didn't make a "huge" difference on the field. His absence wouldn't change one outcome of a game. I don't hear anyone bitching about not RS'ing him.
Look, I don't disagree that if they help the team win they should play but if there isn't a huge difference, they should be redshirted.
All I've said is, when you don't know the future, throwing out the "coaches made a mistake not RS'ing that player" is a narrow-minded thought process. Even if the player didn't play major minutes. And this whole thing came from two players. JJ is a no brainer. Rudy Ford still has his available if he needs it. He was also needed for a depth stand-point. What happens if Chris Davis went down? What about Mincy? We were scary thin in the secondary and needed bodies to be there just in case. Hindsight is great and all, but people need to really look at the situation as it progressed. We were 3-1 in the SEC when Marshall got hurt. We knocked off ranked Ole Miss & Texas A&M. When JJ played almost the whole game against FA, LSU already loss to UGA. Our two toughest games left were UGA & 'Bama. We had a shot at that point to win the west. If I was a coach, you'd bet your arse I'd play every body needed to win the remainder of the games just to get to UGA healthy.
quote:He should have RS'd as well. As should have C. Sanders IMO. But that's on Chizik and has nothing to do with this conversation. That's also on Chizik recruiting 160 lb CBs and not deciding to RS them.
Also, from a players perspective, flat our heard Jonathan jones be pissed about not being redshirted since he was only on ST and he wanted to bulk up.
This post was edited on 3/21/14 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 3/22/14 at 12:28 am to joeyb147
I must have misunderstood your argument because we seem to be in agreement then. While I think there are obviously situations where people don't redshirt and they should/coaches make a mistake, I think it is incredibly rare that at the time of the decision it is not a good choice given info they have
I also think Redshirts are incredibly important and valuable tool. Not for everyone though obviously and if a guy can make an impact it is stupid
I also think Redshirts are incredibly important and valuable tool. Not for everyone though obviously and if a guy can make an impact it is stupid
This post was edited on 3/22/14 at 12:29 am
Posted on 3/22/14 at 11:51 am to GenesChin
Thank god there's a practice today.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 1:00 pm to mockabee
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@Hoke: Nick Marshall on Duke Williams: "He's very impressive." Mentions the receiving corps as a whole, "we're going to be sick this year."
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@awpenny247: Montravius Adams and Gabe Wright are working at DE this spring...
Posted on 3/22/14 at 1:45 pm to See5
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@awpenny247: Montravius Adams and Gabe Wright are working at DE this spring...
So were going to run some inversion fronts this year!
Posted on 3/22/14 at 1:49 pm to mockabee
quote:Don't want to argue about RS anymore?
Thank god there's a practice today.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 1:55 pm to See5
This is auburns best WR core since 2005... and has the potential to top that group.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 1:57 pm to lowspark12
I'm cautiously optimistic about our WRs. I want to see them perform first
Posted on 3/22/14 at 1:58 pm to lowspark12
Ladarius Owens out the rest of Spring?
Posted on 3/22/14 at 2:02 pm to TheChiznit
Where are you hearing that from?
Posted on 3/22/14 at 2:07 pm to TheChiznit
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"Me and the guys, we know what the expectations are and we just attack in practice. It's relentless football every day."
That from Nick. Don't know exactly what he means but it sets me all atingle anyway.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 2:09 pm to The Nino
It was all over twitter today... Foot injury.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 2:15 pm to lowspark12
Oh, I've been busy this morning.
Are we talking about surgery requiring injury, or something like a high ankle sprain that just needs time?
Are we talking about surgery requiring injury, or something like a high ankle sprain that just needs time?
Posted on 3/22/14 at 2:18 pm to The Nino
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One of the team’s most experienced players on offense, tight end/H-back C.J. Uzomah, noted that Williams certainly got his attention. “He’s a freak,” the senior said. “He is a monster. When the ball is in the air, honestly, I am not sure if I have seen anyone have as much ball presence and body feel attacking the ball--even his first day in pads.
Posted on 3/22/14 at 2:28 pm to Sigma
Stop teasing me. We've been down this road before
Posted on 3/22/14 at 3:00 pm to The Nino
We have to find a way to get Daq the ball.
bubble screens
reverses
punt returns
bubble screens
reverses
punt returns
Posted on 3/22/14 at 3:07 pm to The Nino
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Are we talking about surgery requiring injury, or something like a high ankle sprain that just needs time?
He's already had the foot surgery and it recovering from it.
Cass has been working at MLB with Kenny FLowers behind him.
Frost at OLB with Toney behind him.
Derrick Moncrief getting a lot of 1st team reps at Safety
This post was edited on 3/22/14 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 3/22/14 at 3:30 pm to AUtigR24
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[Kris Frost] mentioned that Garrett has been working at safety (not star).
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