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Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:20 am to lowspark12
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:20 am to lowspark12
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we'd be retarded to redshirt roc
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Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:23 am to tigerboi256
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quote: we'd be retarded to redshirt roc
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:23 am to Rig
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quote: quote: we'd be retarded to redshirt roc
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:25 am to TheSandman
That's some Xbox NCAA football stuff 
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:32 am to AUtigR24
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I would redshirt him. Between CAP Barber and Grant he will get little to no PT.
Louis started getting jet sweeps also at the end so we are two deep at our 2 RB positions.
CAP and Barber for one and Grant and Louis for the other.
I would not have any issue with Roc redshirting.
The key to who gets to play at RB is two things...blocking schemes and the readoptoin hand off.
I think Grant lost some touches bec he and Nick were not as strong on the hand offs as Tre and Nick were. They fumbled early against MSU and late against Mizzou...Nick recovered both.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:44 am to GenesChin
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Roc needs to add some pounds or at least did in the spring. He tiny
He's already bigger than Caddy was his freshman year.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:02 am to lowspark12
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absolutely not the case with a five star RB.
We probably agree about all this, but your wording was dumb. Besides, I'd say we were lucky to have Caddy for 4 years. But you'd probably say 2004 was a different era.
If there is one thing we can be critical of Gus about so far, it's that he has burned a couple of RSs that in hindsight he really shouldn't have. Rest assured Roc will be playing in 2014.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:16 am to lowspark12
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we'd be retarded to redshirt roc
There are a million reasons to redshirt Roc. Will he redshirt probably not but to say it would be retarded to is a bit of an over statement. I just dont see him getting much if any PT in a meaningful game this year, although I could see him getting similar PT as JJ did last year. When the starter got hurt.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:16 am to Sigma
It really was a different era. The drums that college players should get more money are beating louder, The lawsuits for head injuries increasing. Kids with a focus on making it to the NFL are looking at their commitment to a school as only 3 years. That is the goal for them, and should you RS you can pretty much call him a two year contributor if his hype pans out.
Hell you even have kids leaving after 3 to grab a FA contract. It was happening in 2004, but not at the rate it is today.
2014: 98 underclassmen (new record)
Hell you even have kids leaving after 3 to grab a FA contract. It was happening in 2004, but not at the rate it is today.
2014: 98 underclassmen (new record)
This post was edited on 3/21/14 at 10:17 am
Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:20 am to Sigma
huh?... what's dumb about feeling lucky to get a five star RB for 3 years?... if he lives up to that hype, that's all we're getting. the notion we'd be 'lucky' to have him for 4 or even 5 is antiquated.
who are you talking about specifically? Gus as OC didn't have final say on redshirts, the HC did.... and it was chizik's phylosophy to play the young guys early on special teams (seemed to work out pretty well in 2010).
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If there is one thing we can be critical of Gus about so far, it's that he has burned a couple of RSs that in hindsight he really shouldn't have.
who are you talking about specifically? Gus as OC didn't have final say on redshirts, the HC did.... and it was chizik's phylosophy to play the young guys early on special teams (seemed to work out pretty well in 2010).
Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:25 am to BZ853
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There are a million reasons to redshirt Roc. Will he redshirt probably not but to say it would be retarded to is a bit of an over statement
far less of an overstatement that there are a "million reasons to redshirt"... but you're right, no one is literally retarded, just in an outdated way of thinking, especially for running backs.
unless a guy is coming off a serious injury his senior year, or gets hurt during fall camp, there is no reason to redshirt... even the middle of the pack RBs (see tre mason).
eta: middle of the pack in regards to recruiting rankings... in case anyone "doesn't want to nitpick".
This post was edited on 3/21/14 at 10:27 am
Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:27 am to BZ853
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There are a million reasons to redshirt Roc. Will he redshirt probably not but to say it would be retarded to is a bit of an over statement. I just dont see him getting much if any PT in a meaningful game this year, although I could see him getting similar PT as JJ did last year. When the starter got hurt.
You all incorrectly assume that redshirting these elite players will result in them being around longer. If Roc Thomas lives up to his potential, he could be a first round pick. First round picks at RB don't/shouldn't stick around for four years, much less five.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 10:59 am to BZ853
quote:There are less than a handful of reasons to RS Roc.
There are a million reasons to redshirt Roc
Look at Mark Richt's genius decision to RS Knowshon Moreno in 2006. UGA's leading rushers that year were Kregg Lumpkin (4.9 ypc) & Danny Ware (4.0 ypc). Both ran for less than 800 & 400 yards, respectively. Moreno has a HUGE RFR year (1300+ yards) & RSO year (1400+ yards) and bolts for the NFL (12th overall pick). UGA ended up 9-4, but lost 3 of those games by 7 points or less. You think Moreno could have made a difference in those 3 games?
Tre Mason, thankfully, didn't RS. While he only had 28 carries his FR year & 1 TD, he totaled over 600 yards returning kicks. He's lone TD on KO Returns occurred the first game of the year. HE was the difference between a W & L against Utah fricking State.
4 of the top 10 RBs in this years draft (according to CBS) stayed on campus for more than 3 years
Only 3 RBs RS'd. Carlos Hyde was considered a FB coming out of HS. Jeremy Hill had legal troubles. Charles Sims (74th ranked RB) & Seastrunk transferred during their college years.
Andre Williams (44th ranked RB out of HS - didn't RS) was a back-up for 2 years and injured his ankle his JR year. Do you think he would have stayed a 5th year (if he RS'd) after he exploded on the scene his SR year?
Posted on 3/21/14 at 11:03 am to joeyb147
Exactly, which goes back to low's original point that Roc being a 5 star shouldn't RS'd but allowed to contribute in anyway he can his freshman year.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 2:15 pm to lowspark12
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huh?... what's dumb about feeling lucky to get a five star RB for 3 years?... if he lives up to that hype, that's all we're getting.
It's just a strange way of saying "I hope he's really good so he spends the minimum number of years at AU as allowed within the rules." As if he had the choice to spend less.
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ho are you talking about specifically? Gus as OC didn't have final say on redshirts, the HC did.... and it was chizik's phylosophy to play the young guys early on special teams (seemed to work out pretty well in 2010).
I don't think Gus should redshirt Roc.
We've had the JJ discussion ad nauseum already, but that's one. Rudy Ford is the other.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 2:36 pm to Sigma
I don't think it's strange at all... as mentioned earlier in this thread, look at the top RBs in this May's draft... almost every one of them did not exhaust their eligibility before declaring.
and you're right on the JJ debate, it's been discussed a ton... the only thing i'll say is yes, ideally you'd love to have a good backup QB already on the roster (and lots of depth at DB so that ford could redshirt).... but that's not reality for a 1st year head coach.
and you're right on the JJ debate, it's been discussed a ton... the only thing i'll say is yes, ideally you'd love to have a good backup QB already on the roster (and lots of depth at DB so that ford could redshirt).... but that's not reality for a 1st year head coach.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 2:36 pm to Sigma
redshirting a QB is way different than a RB
Posted on 3/21/14 at 2:44 pm to BZ853
The point of redshirting is to get an extra year of eligibility for that player. Roc is gone after his 3rd year here most likely. So why would we redshirt him when we can get him some experience this year?
Posted on 3/21/14 at 2:46 pm to lowspark12
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but that's not reality for a 1st year head coach.
Those decisions had nothing to do with being a first year HC. If anything, the honeymoon would allow you to play for the future.
Ford did nothing in 2013 a walkon couldn't have done. And now he's a DB.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 2:49 pm to GenesChin
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redshirting a QB is way different than a RB
I agree, which is why JJ should've redshirted.
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