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re: My takes on game and problems

Posted on 10/25/15 at 5:18 am to
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 10/25/15 at 5:18 am to
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Gus doesn't seem to like those kinds of screens. I think it's because they are slow developing plays, and most of Gus's plays are (supposed to be) executed quickly.


I get sick to my stomach when I see "orbit" motion.

Also on the drive that got us to OT, with just 27 seconds left, Gus call play action. Really? Play action? WTF?
Posted by allin2010
Auburn
Member since Aug 2011
18151 posts
Posted on 10/25/15 at 6:59 am to
My take.

Regulation:
Drops in the first quarter and a half and 15 yards of total offense kept us from scoring 30
End of first Sean takes us on 95 play drive, then we tie it.
Defense actually did enough for us to win holding Arkie to 24.
We do not have an SEC RB. Barber plays had, but averages 3 yards a play, no breakaway speed, no long runs.

Overtime:
When we scored in the second OT, we should have gone for 2. The D was done at that point. Run the Lutzie play (see third OT) and win or lose the game. Gus needs to grow a pair.

Overall: team played hard, we should have won. Our seniors (Chiz players) suck. We can not fire coaches after every bad single season.

Future: I believe in the Boom Brothers, but we must show improvement next year.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
15802 posts
Posted on 10/25/15 at 7:09 am to
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When we scored in the second OT, we should have gone for 2. The D was done at that point. Run the Lutzie play (see third OT) and win or lose the game. Gus needs to grow a pair.


^^THIS!^

You are right. Win it or lose it right there.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36461 posts
Posted on 10/25/15 at 7:11 am to
Or you could kick the extra point and pray that your defense will hold just one time out of 10 chances.
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22368 posts
Posted on 10/25/15 at 7:16 am to
In hindsight, yeah... go for it.

At the time, it didn't seem right... their defense was as gased as ours.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30840 posts
Posted on 10/25/15 at 7:17 am to
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this team wins 3 more games, possibly, 4.


I don't see it but I hope you're right.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30840 posts
Posted on 10/25/15 at 7:20 am to
I wouldn't have been totally against going for 2 in that spot but we should have won it in the 3rd OT when they went for two. We had that play defended perfectly, Holland just ran himself into a bad position behind the receiver so he couldn't reach his arm in and knock it away. If he had just continued to trail him we win.
Posted by atlau
Member since Oct 2012
5264 posts
Posted on 10/25/15 at 7:20 am to
Gus called great game. Other than playcalling in last OT, what can you blame him for?

I don't put this on D. Put it on receivers not making catches.

Drops killed us. 7 credited, but should have been 10. That is 7 first downs and at least 1 TD. Never would have been in OT if we continue those drives.

Keep bitching about defense though.

And the people bitching about Kris Frost? Yes, he might continue to be frustrating but he's the one who made an interception and put us back in the game.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 10/25/15 at 7:29 am to
Completely agree with going for 2 at the end of OT2. We had the ball to start ot3 so you know we were going to do it then and probably would need it since our d sucks. May as well do it at the end of ot2 and win or lose there. Pussy arse call that lost the game.
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22368 posts
Posted on 10/25/15 at 7:30 am to
Yep... that was our chance to win it.

Give Allen credit... he put the ball on the money. They're gonna miss him next year... more than they realize or care to admit.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
17019 posts
Posted on 10/25/15 at 7:52 am to
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I'm gonna go ahead and call it now. RG will be let go at the end of the season. We could have 7 All American defensive backs but the defense would still be terrible thanks to abismal d line play. Forget schemes, those guys are not anywhere near fundamentally sound. Getting your hands up is taught at the basic levels of the game. They have virtually no pass rush moves, know nothing of leverage and have no mean streak


I am not convinced position coaches do that much in the first place other than recruit (which is very important, obviously).

I mean how hard is it to coach the D-line really? How hard is it to get into a 3 point stance and rush the passer or fill run gaps? It's not nuclear engineering. It's not like other D-line coaches have secret techniques RG doesn't have. A player either has it or he doesn't.

IMO, the D-line seems like the easiest position in all of football to play from a technique standpoint (certainly easier than the O-line where there are more assignments, shifts and pulls to worry about, etc.).

I just think position coaching is overrated. It's more about having people in place who specialize in a position to scout talent from the HS ranks.

Getting the right players in there is the biggest thing a coach (any coach at any position) can do. You can be the greatest coach ever on earth, but you'll never beat the Patriots with a high-school squad, no matter how crappily the Patriots are coached and no matter how well your HS team is coached.

Posted by Warfarer
Dothan, AL
Member since May 2010
12125 posts
Posted on 10/25/15 at 8:18 am to
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I mean how hard is it to coach the D-line really? How hard is it to get into a 3 point stance and rush the passer or fill run gaps? It's not nuclear engineering. It's not like other D-line coaches have secret techniques RG doesn't have. A player either has it or he doesn't.


I may be wrong on this but I think positional coaching is about fine-tuning techniques and motivating and it seems that Garner does neither well. If we get guys that Bama, UGA, UF, or Flu want then they are coachable kids that could turn into good players. Most of the kids that we have gotten not he line the past few years are all kids that other schools wanted so it isn't just that we are grabbing a shite-ton of lemon players.

On the flip side, Mizzou gets a bunch of two and three star kids on the line and pump them into the league. Coaching does get you moving.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30840 posts
Posted on 10/25/15 at 8:53 am to
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Keep bitching about defense though.


The defense deserves every ounce of criticism it is getting. They had multiple chances to make a stop or just a play and the game is over.

This wasn't Baylor we were going against, it was Arkansas with a terrible QB, no receivers due to injury and suspension, and two of their top 3 running backs injured.

The receivers are taking their share of the blame, and rightfully so, but to defend the defensive performance is laughable.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30840 posts
Posted on 10/25/15 at 8:54 am to
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Give Allen credit... he put the ball on the money. They're gonna miss him next year... more than they realize or care to admit.


That was a big play in a big spot but overall Allen is pretty bad.
Posted by golfntiger32
Ohio
Member since Oct 2013
12486 posts
Posted on 10/25/15 at 9:08 am to
The drops were the killer. However Kris fracking Frost was in position to stop their 2 pt conversion in OT3. He had underneath coverage in zone at the goal line. However the QB rolls out, which McKinzey actually had him contained was not going to run it in. Frost sees this and comes up the field with the QB 15 yards from the goal and leaves a huge hole to throw the ball through. Had he held his ground and played his responsibility we win. This is why Muschamp is so frustrated.

On another play during the game on short yardage Frost was in the hole and whiffed on the runner. They flashed to Muschamp on the sideline he said "What am I supposed to call 17 was right there to make the play." I truly believe the upperclassmen on D have checked out. They don't play assignments and have zero discipline. No matter how good of a coach you are you cannot overcome that.
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22368 posts
Posted on 10/25/15 at 9:18 am to
Except he's not bad at all... he's 24th nationally in passer rating and third in the SEC... he's generally un-clutch, but he's put them in positions to win.

And he's doing it with a bunch of sunbelt level WRs (granted their TEs are legit).
This post was edited on 10/25/15 at 9:23 am
Posted by slacker130
Your mom
Member since Jul 2010
8001 posts
Posted on 10/25/15 at 1:41 pm to
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That was a big play in a big spot but overall Allen is pretty bad.


Yesterday, we made him look pretty good.
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