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My 2 cents on AU's QB/Offense this year - why to be optimistic

Posted on 2/28/17 at 10:14 am
Posted by atlau
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 10:14 am
If Stidham is all he's cracked up to be, I think he starts. That's a given. Regardless of just how good he is (or how much of an upside he brings) I think the reason to be most optimistic is we finally have decent QB depth assuming both Sitdham and White enter the season healthy.

While White might not be elite, he proved in 2016 that when healthy and with a solid run game, that he is more than capable to win games. When was the last time AU had a "proven" number 1 and number 2 at QB. We all thought that was the case in 2014 when Johnson started the year against Arkansas and played mop up duty, but it wasn't until 2015 that we saw this simply wasn't the case.

Of course, this is all dependent on our O line play, our rushing game and coaching. I feel good about the first two. The only question mark for me is whether Gus gives up complete control of the offense (which he needs to). I'm glad to have Coach CL on staff to freshen up our passing game. Honestly, if the QBs stay healthy, I don't think it will take that much to take our offense to the next level.

This is Gus' make or break season. I've wanted him to be the guy, but it's time to put a consistent offensive product on the field.

Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 10:17 am to
This would have looked much better in the Spring football thread.
Posted by atlau
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 10:20 am to
quote:

This would have looked much better in the Spring football thread.


Dammit.

In my defense, I think this transcends spring football.
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 10:43 am to
The best part is that if the starter goes down we actually have a capable back up to take his place and can win games. And if the backup goes down then there's still hope because we have a 3rd string that has the potential to run the 2013 offense.

Hopefully White is healthy in time to practice this summer because I think the competition will really pushing Stidham and both guys will end up better QBs because of it.
Posted by HDAU
Member since Nov 2014
1569 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 1:21 pm to
What about Woody Barrett? Do we not talk about him because we haven't seen anything out of him due to his redshirt or because he hasn't lived up to the hype?
Posted by JamalSanders
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Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 1:57 pm to
quote:

What about Woody Barrett?
quote:

Do we not talk about him
quote:

due to his redshirt
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
61576 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 3:36 pm to
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While White might not be elite, he proved in 2016 that when healthy and with a solid run game, that he is more than capable to win games.


Which games was that?


Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 4:10 pm to
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Which games was that?


A day
Posted by atlau
Member since Oct 2012
5264 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 4:27 pm to
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Which games was that?


ULM
Ms State
Arkansas
Ole Miss

Posted by atlau
Member since Oct 2012
5264 posts
Posted on 2/28/17 at 4:29 pm to
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What about Woody Barrett?


Should have included in my OP. IF Woody Barrett is at least as good as White, then we have 3 capable QB's. And I definitely don't remember when we had 3 solid QB's on the roster.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 5:05 pm to
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A day


No doubt his best performance..

Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
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Posted on 2/28/17 at 6:03 pm to


Posted by SmithsAuFan
San Diego, CA
Member since Jul 2013
1658 posts
Posted on 3/1/17 at 2:03 am to
In the 3 or 4 games where he could throw like 15 to 20 yards down field.
Posted by JRoweMDN
Florida
Member since Jan 2016
703 posts
Posted on 3/1/17 at 4:14 pm to
I will say that I believe the offensive scheme for Stidham will be better and that if White has to step in he will show better numbers than last year if he is given the whole playbook.

With that said Stidham needs to deliver.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36272 posts
Posted on 3/1/17 at 4:24 pm to
If I could amend that, I'd say Stidham is the better QB for current system or for one with less drastic changes. SW could be a great QB with an overhaul of our current playbook and gameplan though.

I honestly don't know wtf Sean was thinking when he chose Auburn. We have severely under utilized his particular talents. I'm not sure why I ever believed that Gus could adjust to the strengths of any QB.
Posted by AUTiger45
The Ham
Member since Oct 2013
4043 posts
Posted on 3/12/17 at 12:25 pm to
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SW could be a great QB with an overhaul of our current playbook and gameplan though.


translation: the shite we were calling last 2 seasons would make Cam look below average. if Stidham gets the same shite play calling look for him to be running for his life and probably injured by game 5 as well. Lindsey better be all he is cracked up to be with the passing game because Hand has looked pretty meh on his end.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36272 posts
Posted on 3/12/17 at 12:29 pm to
quote:

translation: the shite we were calling last 2 seasons would make Cam look below average. i

Malzahn knew how to call the game with Cam as QB. Let's give Malzahn at least that much credit. Yeah Cam wouldnt be the same QB in the offense last year but the point is that Gus successfully adapted the offense to Cam.
This post was edited on 3/12/17 at 12:33 pm
Posted by AUTiger45
The Ham
Member since Oct 2013
4043 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 12:18 pm to
no doubt, for whatever reason Gus was still an overall really good play caller back in 2010. I just believe our struggles on offense are less due to the kids suiting up at QB and more on Malzahn going all coach Klein.
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
10354 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 1:51 pm to
I believe it is about the players more than the coaches. The oline in 2014, 2015 and 2016 played average to below average. That alone makes up a huge part of our O issues. In 2014 NM's unique gifts paired with Sammie Coates speed made up for the oline issues except in crucial situations...short yardage and red zone. In 2015 minus a NM QB the results were pathetic...the same coaches from 2013 and 2014 at times looked lost. However they really didn't do much different than seasons before outside of personal decisions. In the end you can't make chicken salad with chicken...

In 2016 the QB parade against Clemson was insane and I believe it was a desperate attempt to create something out of nothing...Gus deserves blame for not creating a game plan to use his D. In his defense (pun intended) he has never seen a decent D in practice at Auburn so he might not be able to recognize one verses his O. Gus also deserves blame because he didn't simply pick a QB and ride it out. However, my guess is even if he'd picked a QB Clemson was playing ultra conservative and they'd still found a way to win that game. In 2016 moving James in and Golson over helped our ability to run the ball and we ran over inferior competition. However, every time we played a team with a pulse along the Dline we struggled. We didn't have a QB (healthy or not) capable of making up for the weaknesses of our Oline. IMO James is a huge liability as a pass blocker and unless he improves, him playing left tackle in 2017 isn't a good thing for us. Players often improve so there is optimism.

Things that make me optimistic...
1) JS, I don't normally hype QB's before they arrive, but the bar is pretty low IMO at QB for Auburn right now. Last season an average SEC quality QB would have meant 10 wins...maybe 11. Inspite of the average oline to weak oline (early season)
2) CCL, The schematics of his passing attack can help hide some of the oline issues we have experienced. However, it will still be a problem in short yardage and red zone the closer you get to the end zone.
3) Healthy SW, I hope he is our back up, but man he'd be a great back up to have in a pinch. He'd still limit the O in all the ways he has in the past. I don't believe CCL will suddenly make him capable of things he doesn't have the ability to do but he is capable of winning games we should win and with a decent D and a sound running game he can make a play here and there to beat somebody he shouldn't beat...if he stays healthy.

Side note:

Reasons for concern...I know we have recruited well at Dline...but I doubt we will simply replace Lawson and Monty. Both should be first day if not close to first round picks in the NFL draft. You can't coach that. The resurgence of our D last year was a lot of things but none was bigger than having a true shut down dline with a special interior and outside player to go with a lot of good to better than good players.
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 1:57 pm
Posted by JamalSanders
On a boat
Member since Jul 2015
12135 posts
Posted on 3/13/17 at 2:57 pm to
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Healthy SW, I hope he is our back up, but man he'd be a great back up to have in a pinch. He'd still limit the O in all the ways he has in the past.


He didn't limit our offense when healthy anymore than JS will.
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