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re: Let's discuss our red zone offense

Posted on 11/1/15 at 4:22 pm to
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 11/1/15 at 4:22 pm to
Really don't think Gus gets canned next season unless he loses the team completely or a grand slam hire comes up. No one likes to admit it, but fact of the matter is saban at bama hurts us in all phases. Without a saban hire, anyone here will struggle. That's just the way it is.

Gus may not be our long-term solution but I don't see much point in paying buyouts right now.
This post was edited on 11/1/15 at 4:23 pm
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
Good Ole Rocky Top Tennessee
Member since Jan 2010
21644 posts
Posted on 11/1/15 at 4:26 pm to
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Does Gus truly only excel when he can run this dumbed down version of offense? This or rise me badly. 


I now believe the offense is fundamentally flawed. The entire premise us to run the ball to open up long passes down field. Which is fine if those passes go for TDs. Which is which Gus is always talking about explosive plays.

But when the long passes do not hit for TD. We have very few short pass routes that can work in the redzone.

As stated before we have no TE ir hot routes, so nothing to stop the D from stacking the box for the run in the RZ. So we cannot take advantage of tge entire field when it is compressed.

And something like a 3 on 3 screen that should work in the RZ for a philosophical standpoint, our players (4 star WRs fap fap fap) are not good enough to execute properly for it to work. A 3 on 3 screen is usually a short gain because WRs cannot mske a play one on one.
Posted by LandofDixie
Member since Jul 2012
2825 posts
Posted on 11/1/15 at 4:27 pm to
I'd argue the opposite. I think Saban at Bama has pushed Auburn further as a program - one national championship prior to the USSR falling and two appearances after Saban was hired in 2007. Like it or not, Auburn plays better as a program when it's competition is better.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 11/1/15 at 4:31 pm to
Oh, no doubt long-term program improvements were made, but think about our recruiting. We miss on a lot of big guys to them right now. The ones that do end up here; are they resentful they didn't go to bama? Think they deserve "better"? Did they "settle"? Think they would have to work too hard to get playtime somewhere else?

None of those possibilities lend themselves to desirable traits in football players. Might explain some of our attitude/quitting/effort problems we've seen over the last 5 years or so.

Just a thought.
Posted by DeoreDX
Member since Oct 2010
4053 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 11:38 am to
Early on in the Gus OC days it seemed like the Offence had new wrinkles every week specifically designed to attack a Defence's weaknesses. Now it seems like we go into every week with the same 7-8 plays. If us joe blows sitting in the stands can see the formation and personel on the field and call the play you sure as heck know a DC on the other side of the field can too. I see DC's attacking specific formations and motions the same way every week and we have done nothing to adapt or take advantage of what the DC's are doing to our offence now.

Good example. When we run Jet Sweep motion to one side of the field every D we have faced has automatically blitzed the OLB to the motion side to kill the jet sweep. That's why we've almost always had negative plays when running the jet sweep this year. Yet we've done nothing to adapt.

Several times in the red zone they have left the DB on an island with Stevens. No safety or ILB help. Stevens is out there all by himself with one defender sitting in off coverage 2 yards in the end zone with all the space in the world to work. They throw it to him one time and it would have been a TD with a good throw. They give you that same coverage over and over, do you not think Stevens is good enough to beat a defender 1 on 1? Stevens has 4-5 inches on either of the starting Ole Miss DB's. Give the man a chance.
Posted by TheSandman
Notasulga
Member since Nov 2010
19411 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 11:45 am to
I'm going to list the first down pass plays I saw in the red zone on Saturday:






Posted by LurkingEmbraer
Member since Dec 2014
944 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 11:53 am to
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TheSandman


Posted by AUX3
Member since Dec 2010
3449 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 12:15 pm to
Gus will be fine. There are alot of teams that have been struggling offensively this year in the SEC due to QB play.

Offense was fine against Arky too many dropped passes.
Ole Miss has a good D and our running game is not as dominate. This makes scoring in the red zone fundamentally difficult.

We've been in every game at the end, except LSU, and the players aren't making plays. No leaders and nobody that can take over a game like we've had in the past. Javon and Sean show promise. So does c davis
Posted by Awesome Dave
Auburn, AL
Member since Sep 2014
891 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 1:38 pm to
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Killed us in the iron bowl last year. Might've paid off to come up with one or two plays in the off season. I assume he was too busy evaluating JJ.


Didn't we score 44 points in that game? I would say our defense is what killed us.
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
2989 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 1:46 pm to
YEah, it kills be the logic some of these posters use to support or bad play calling.

It's simply a problem of a RSFR who has not learned how to execute against very good Defenses in the red zone. Our OL is not as strong as before, so it is hard to run in the red zone.

I do not understand the call of rolling out White for a pass in the red zone. Each time this year it has been an incomplete or an INT.
Posted by LurkingEmbraer
Member since Dec 2014
944 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 1:53 pm to
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This post was edited on 11/2/15 at 2:02 pm
Posted by N97883
New Dehli Forsyth GA
Member since Nov 2013
8063 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 2:01 pm to
Complaining about Gus in the red zone is, to use an old people analogy, a broken record. But why not run White until the rz then bring in a different package and pull White. It's not White's fault, but at some point you need something and maybe that's a running qb threat.

Or just continue as is acting like you're 3rd in the polls and don't want to look desperate doing the two QB thing.
Posted by weagle
Member since Dec 2010
89 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 12:24 am to
A win is a win, and I'm happy with tonight. Having said that, did anyone see improvement in the red zone play calling?
Posted by Rig
BHM
Member since Aug 2011
41856 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 12:28 am to
No because we took out Jovon when we got down there
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
61661 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:02 am to
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Having said that, did anyone see improvement in the red zone play calling?




Did you see all those field goals?









Then no
Posted by weaglebeagle
Alabama
Member since Jan 2011
1559 posts
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:19 am to
I felt like the first two drives the red zone playcalling was fine. There was some variety and our receivers actually caught some passes. I think Gus' playcalling is part to blame but it doesn't help when our receivers aren't catching catchable balls. Ricardo dropped another pass from JJ that was easily catchable and would have been a TD or at least very close.
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