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re: Just How Bad Is The Dline?
Posted on 10/26/15 at 11:07 am to Rabern57
Posted on 10/26/15 at 11:07 am to Rabern57
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As far 1st rounders, if you have enough talent anyone can eventually get 1st rounders just on their abilities alone.
WHich means you agree with me that it's all about talent. If it weren't, then only great DL coaches could put 1st rounders into the NFL. Right?
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Posted on 10/26/15 at 11:07 am to AUtigR24
Those D lines go against great OL's. 
Posted on 10/26/15 at 11:17 am to TheChiznit
From watching the games, it's all about their hands. As Muschamp says, they don't disengage. There's not a lot of rip or swim moves either. They probably work on it ad nauseam in practice and then get in the game and mentally go blank. I'm trying to picture Garner in practice blowing the whistle, seeing all of the DL just bullrush on a pass play and have hands stay on them while they flail around, blow it again and say good job guys. I can't. Bring in a martial artist, seriously. NFL teams have done that and it's worked. I have to say some of it is talent, mental talent and speed.
He's accountable though and we cant contain Brandon fricking Allen on a QB sweep so it's time to go back to TEs since we wont fire him. He can certainly coach for a position that in our offense consists of a single player on the field per play only blocking.
He's accountable though and we cant contain Brandon fricking Allen on a QB sweep so it's time to go back to TEs since we wont fire him. He can certainly coach for a position that in our offense consists of a single player on the field per play only blocking.
This post was edited on 10/26/15 at 11:19 am
Posted on 10/26/15 at 11:23 am to AUstar
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WHich means you agree with me that it's all about talent. If it weren't, then only great DL coaches could put 1st rounders into the NFL. Right?
No. NFL doesn't draft production, they draft athletic potential. There is a reason why Michael Sam SEC DPOY w/ 10+ sacks was a 7th RD guy and then cut. It isn't because his personal life style choices either
Imagine it as you have a bill to pay and you have two separate bank accounts, athleticism and coached technique. You can pay that bill using any combination of the two
As you face better OL, that bill is more expensive and eventually you can't pay it just with talent or just with technique. You will be required to have access to both accounts.
This post was edited on 10/26/15 at 11:31 am
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:38 pm to TheJones
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We actually have a ton of star talent on the DL
We actually don't according to recruiting sites.
We have Adams, Lambert and Lawson that were recruited high and Lawson hasn't played in two years.
The rest of our highly rated guys are Freshman or RS freshman. Almost all of them were known projects coming in besides Cowart.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:45 pm to GenesChin
Exactly. This is why NFL rosters have kids from all over the country and from schools ranging from D1 to D3. If you can play football, they will find you. It's why I don't understand the Bama mystique of "developing" players for the league.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:58 pm to Weagle25
Russell, Thornton, Williams were all highly recruited solid 4* guys. Cowart was the #1 DL in the country. These kinds of players should be contributing at a much higher rate than they are.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 2:00 pm to SamGinn Cam
I've been beating the drum for weeks about the d line not playing with their hands. We even had a quote here from another player last week mentioning Carl Lawson teaching guys pass rush moves. A RG coached d line plays like the only thing they do in practice is push a sled up and down the field.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 2:16 pm to RandySavage
Thornton and Williams were projects that weren't expected to contribute early.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 2:24 pm to Weagle25
Andrew Williams was no project he was a highly recruited 4* with great size coming out of highschool. He looked great in the Aday game.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 2:41 pm to AUtigR24
Ok so we've got Adams, Lambert, Russell, Cowart, Williams. That's a total of 5 highly rated guys and 3 are very early in their careers.
That's not a ton of star talent.
That's not a ton of star talent.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 2:52 pm to Weagle25
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That's not a ton of star talent.
We have less DL talent than normal you are correct. In years past though, we had a lot more talent and had similarly futile results
Our 2013 defense had a 1st RD and two 4th RD draft picks and was still a liability
Posted on 10/26/15 at 2:57 pm to Weagle25
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Ok so we've got Adams, Lambert, Russell, Cowart, Williams. That's a total of 5 highly rated guys and 3 are very early in their careers.
It's a lot of talent considering how bad we are. The point was to display how poor development has been despite having a number of DL that were considered pretty ready to play/ not in need of intense development.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 3:06 pm to TheJones
I'm not defending Garner at all. Theres no excuse for how bad our Dline is right now.
Just pointing out that we aren't as talented as we should be at Dline.
In fact looking back at what's left of the 2012 and 2013 defensive classes, it's a lot easier to see why we aren't as good as we thought we'd be.
the 14 class is slightly better and the 15 class is much better
Just pointing out that we aren't as talented as we should be at Dline.
In fact looking back at what's left of the 2012 and 2013 defensive classes, it's a lot easier to see why we aren't as good as we thought we'd be.
the 14 class is slightly better and the 15 class is much better
Posted on 10/26/15 at 3:08 pm to Weagle25
another thing Elijah Daniel a 5 star that would be a JR this year was a got damn thief and got kicked off.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 3:17 pm to Weagle25
If someone told me I'd have a DL with the below talent + 3* projects/JUCOs, I would never in a million years think we could be average. We'd definitely be good pass rushers
-5* DT JR
-4* top 200 DT RS Fr
-4* top JUCO DE
-4* top 250 DE RSfr
-5* DE FR
-4* top 150 DE
-5* DT JR
-4* top 200 DT RS Fr
-4* top JUCO DE
-4* top 250 DE RSfr
-5* DE FR
-4* top 150 DE
Posted on 10/26/15 at 3:43 pm to Weagle25
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Ok so we've got Adams, Lambert, Russell, Cowart, Williams. That's a total of 5 highly rated guys and 3 are very early in their careers.
That's not a ton of star talent.
Is it elite? No. Is it better than the production we are getting? 1000x
There probably aren't 15-20 schools that have more "star talent" in their top 5-6 DL but there are probably 115 with better DL.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 4:01 pm to RandySavage
If we had a great 1st team DL but no depth to rotate, I could understand. For other teams to serve more pancakes than IHOP, that is ridiculous
What is worse is that Monty Adams gets double teamed every play. That means we have 3 guys in 1on1 situations and none of them win
What is worse is that Monty Adams gets double teamed every play. That means we have 3 guys in 1on1 situations and none of them win
Posted on 10/26/15 at 4:05 pm to GenesChin
I would think we'd be average.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 4:10 pm to RandySavage
I'm not disagreeing with you
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