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Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:57 am to beatbammer
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:57 am to beatbammer
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So Jacobs makes all these great hires and you want to fire him
Dude, you are a perfect Auburn guy. frick everything that is good, just fire mother frickers when we lose.
Dude is obviously a long-standing member of the old Lowder Burn-It-All-Down-And-Salt-The-Earth.
Those are the people who would have burnt every building on campus down and salted the earth to "get" Lowder. And then would have stood on the barren wasteland they wrought, nodding sagely, thinking "NOW things are good!"
This is just a smaller, less important version of that crowd.
Just pay no attention.
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Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:59 am to AU86
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To sustain a program a proven head coach must be hired. Look at the examples of programs that win 10 games every year. When is the last time that Auburn has sustained success? Won back to back 10 game seasons? The last two football coaches that Jacobs hired were unproven head coaches.
This is the dumbest fricking argument you could possibly make when you were talking about Freeze sustaining a program earlier in the thread. 10 years ago the guy was also coaching a girl's basketball team. But he was a proven coach? This argument sucks dude and you're better than this.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 9:07 am to AU86
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Not true. I am a realist. Do not wear colored glasses and do not let emotions effect decisions. Were you one of the one's that defended Chizik and was against getting rid of him? Chizik was fired because he lost all league games, had lost the team and look at the trend of his record. Malzahn is in danger of replicating that this year. I hope he doesn't but he may. To sustain a program a proven head coach must be hired. Look at the examples of programs that win 10 games every year. When is the last time that Auburn has sustained success? Won back to back 10 game seasons? The last two football coaches that Jacobs hired were unproven head coaches. Are we witnessing Chizik 2.0?
I did not defend the firing of Gene because there were more issues than just losing football games. But in the end, Gene Chizik brought Auburn what it had not obtain in 50 Years. And i was there to see it. I will forever love Chizik for that. He did a masterful job in 2010 and for that, he can have my next born.
But, we are no where near that now. We have a QB that nobody expected to be this bad. Kid has lost it. No way anyone could have seen that. My issue is how it is dealt with in the next few games. Not that it happened. I am sure Gus did not know JJ was going to have squash for brains at this point
Gus then brought us to Pasadena with a Defensive back at QB. At come about as close as you could come from bringing home another Championship. I know we did not win, I was there to cry over it, but one break going our way late in that game and we win.
Jacobs had done very well in my opinion. Did you ever think Auburn would have a basketball coach at the level we do right now? No you didnt.
You keep saying that he hired two unproven coaches but then blow Hugh Freeze like he has won anything. He is more unproven than anyone and has not won jack. Yea, he beat Alabama twice in a row but if that is your measuring stick, you are too far gone to sway.
In my opinion, we are not witnessing Chiz 2.0. One of My biggest issue right now is this years recruiting class but that has a ways to go yet. We need some help coming in and hopefully, we can swing a few guys over and get things on track again.
I honestly believe in Gus's system when we have the right pieces.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 9:13 am to Warfarer
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To sustain a program a proven head coach must be hired. Look at the examples of programs that win 10 games every year. When is the last time that Auburn has sustained success? Won back to back 10 game seasons? The last two football coaches that Jacobs hired were unproven head coaches.
This is the dumbest fricking argument you could possibly make when you were talking about Freeze sustaining a program earlier in the thread. 10 years ago the guy was also coaching a girl's basketball team. But he was a proven coach? This argument sucks dude and you're better than this.
The answer to that may be simple: Hugh Freeze may be a better head coach than Gus. Both took chances when they hired them, one of those may work out one may not. Both may work out. Look I am not saying fire Gus right now. All I am saying is I am concerned with the overall trend that started last year. I am concerned with the D recruiting and the development of players. Explain to me how defensive coaches such as Roof, Van Gorder, Ellis have all failed and Muschamp is struggling? Are they all bad coaches? I don't think so. I am a huge fan of Muschamp and if anyone can right the ship on defense I believe that he can. But if he fails, I am really concerned.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 9:15 am to AU86
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The last two football coaches that Jacobs hired were unproven head coaches. Are we witnessing Chizik 2.0?
This statement alone reflects your lack of understanding.
Successful unproven head coaches...
Mark Richt
Hugh Freeze
Jimbo Fisher
Dan Mullen
Steve Sark (UW years)
In fact it is much easier to list the head coaches who were successful then went on to be much more successful than it is to list the guys who hadn't done much that turned out ok.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 9:20 am to Tigerman97
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The last two football coaches that Jacobs hired were unproven head coaches. Are we witnessing Chizik 2.0?
This statement alone reflects your lack of understanding.
Successful unproven head coaches...
Mark Richt
Hugh Freeze
Jimbo Fisher
Dan Mullen
Steve Sark (UW years)
In fact it is much easier to list the head coaches who were successful then went on to be much more successful than it is to list the guys who hadn't done much that turned out ok.
I agree with that. There are examples where unproven head coach hires work out. But there are also examples of where they do not. Most elite programs will go after proven commodities. Look at Bama, they wallowed for years with unproven head coaches and what did they go back to: a proven coach. Maybe I should have made my stance clearer. What I am saying is if this doesn't work out, we should go after a proven head coach this time and not an unproven one. Gary Patterson, etc. are examples. We should give Muschamp the time to turn the D around, but what has happened on Offense has baffled me. No excuse for that IMO.
This post was edited on 9/20/15 at 10:17 am
Posted on 9/20/15 at 9:24 am to AU86
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I agree with that. Maybe I should have made my stance clearer. What I am saying is if this doesn't work out, we should go after a proven head coach this time and not an unproven one. Gary Patterson, etc. are examples. We should give Muschamp the time to turn the D around, but what has happened on Offense has baffled me. No excuse for that IMO.
It is very tough to get the proven guys. Why leave a program where you are doing well for the hope of something some other place?
Posted on 9/20/15 at 9:31 am to BowlJackson
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Don't be stupid
Posted on 9/20/15 at 9:40 am to Tigerman97
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It is very tough to get the proven guys. Why leave a program where you are doing well for the hope of something some other place?
Agree. Come to Auburn where we have fired two coaches in 5 years where each of them took us to a National Championship.
The line will be long
Posted on 9/20/15 at 9:48 am to AU86
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I agree with that. Maybe I should have made my stance clearer. What I am saying is if this doesn't work out, we should go after a proven head coach this time and not an unproven one. Gary Patterson, etc. are examples. We should give Muschamp the time to turn the D around, but what has happened on Offense has baffled me. No excuse for that IMO.
I would love to have Patterson but he ain't leaving the good thing he has at TCU.
All problems are not solved by just firing someone & starting over. Gus has proven he can win in this league. Muschamp has proven he can build great defenses in this league. I don't think you blow this staff up unless we don't win a single game rest of the season and there are terrible off the field issues. It sucks for sure but it's still week 3. I think we can win the next 4 & be 6-1 heading into the rough part of our schedule. This Saturday we will find out if team is quitting or not
Posted on 9/20/15 at 9:52 am to AU86
We can't fire Malzahn. He has to be given time to figure this stuff out. I think most AU fans knew when he was hired there would be coaching blunders/growing pains, but the early immediate success made us forget that.
With that said, I'm still baffled White didn't get reps the last quarter yesterday. That was a definite coaching blunder. With a struggling starter and no shot at winning, the back-up should always get experience. I'm going to maintain a healthy distance from AU football this season so I don't get too worked up over it. I'll still watch the games and support the team, I'm just not going to expect anything one way or there other. There is friction somewhere in the locker room and hopefully it gets worked out.
With that said, I'm still baffled White didn't get reps the last quarter yesterday. That was a definite coaching blunder. With a struggling starter and no shot at winning, the back-up should always get experience. I'm going to maintain a healthy distance from AU football this season so I don't get too worked up over it. I'll still watch the games and support the team, I'm just not going to expect anything one way or there other. There is friction somewhere in the locker room and hopefully it gets worked out.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 9:57 am to Tigerman97
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I agree with that. Maybe I should have made my stance clearer. What I am saying is if this doesn't work out, we should go after a proven head coach this time and not an unproven one. Gary Patterson, etc. are examples. We should give Muschamp the time to turn the D around, but what has happened on Offense has baffled me. No excuse for that IMO.
It is very tough to get the proven guys. Why leave a program where you are doing well for the hope of something some other place?
I agree that it is tough. But if we are the program that we think we are Auburn can get a proven coach. We might be surprised who Auburn could lure. Maybe we won't have to worry about it.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:00 am to TigerPaw1
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I agree with that. Maybe I should have made my stance clearer. What I am saying is if this doesn't work out, we should go after a proven head coach this time and not an unproven one. Gary Patterson, etc. are examples. We should give Muschamp the time to turn the D around, but what has happened on Offense has baffled me. No excuse for that IMO.
I would love to have Patterson but he ain't leaving the good thing he has at TCU.
All problems are not solved by just firing someone & starting over. Gus has proven he can win in this league. Muschamp has proven he can build great defenses in this league. I don't think you blow this staff up unless we don't win a single game rest of the season and there are terrible off the field issues. It sucks for sure but it's still week 3. I think we can win the next 4 & be 6-1 heading into the rough part of our schedule. This Saturday we will find out if team is quitting or not
I hope that you are right. But if They get worse (hard to imagine), go winless in the league, and/ or have a bad losing season will you still feel that way?
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:09 am to LanierSpots
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It is very tough to get the proven guys. Why leave a program where you are doing well for the hope of something some other place?
Agree. Come to Auburn where we have fired two coaches in 5 years where each of them took us to a National Championship.
The line will be long
Your lack of confidence in the program surprises me. If it continues do we continue to wallow in that trend? Auburn is considered aroud the nation to be a top program. We could get a proven coach. This trend of an elite season, then 8-5, then disaster is not good. Didn't you say yourself that you fear that we may be entering a dark stage. You may be right, what if next year is bad also? Just my opinion.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:16 am to AU86
won't get fired and shouldn't only has 2 recruiting class that are really his Muschamp is basically using players that were recruited to play a totally different system and he certainly does not have the type of speed and physicality he needs at LB to run his system we will be improved next year and should be back in contention by about 2017
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:18 am to AU86
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When is the last time that Auburn has sustained success?
By your definition of sustained success, we've had lots of it
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:19 am to golfntiger32
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won't get fired and shouldn't only has 2 recruiting class that are really his Muschamp is basically using players that were recruited to play a totally different system and he certainly does not have the type of speed and physicality he needs at LB to run his system we will be improved next year and should be back in contention by about 2017
I will agree with that. But the evaluation and recruitment of defensive players has to improve.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:22 am to Weagle25
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When is the last time that Auburn has sustained success?
By your definition of sustained success, we've had lots of it
I am talking about back to back 10 win seasons over a period of time. Having an elite season then going 8-5 and then the bottom dropping out is not sustained success.
This post was edited on 9/20/15 at 10:23 am
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:24 am to AU86
Neither is a 7 win season, 8 win season and a 9 win season
Posted on 9/20/15 at 10:24 am to AU86
Gus is our guy. He's been in some way part of our success in the last few years and when he's on a tear he's doing extremely well. I think this might just be a head coaching hurdle that a lot of coaches go through where you are so confident in your choices you need a swift kick in the dick to realize that you aren't an all knowing entity and you have to constantly better yourself or shite's going to go downhill quick.
I think JJ is a fricking wrecking ball to the nads and it's been an absolute pile of dog shite watching him literally lose himself. Whether that be nerves, inability to read a defense, a UTI infection, who the frick knows? Whatever the reason JJ isn't our guy. Gus now has to go through that process and fight that inner battle. He's gotta fight the guy who got so much praise over the last few years and his butthole tickled by the tongues of every reporter that could reach him how he came back to Auburn and turned a defensive guy into a QB that (almost) won it all.
It's a shitty fight because we as fans and Auburn as a University and as a football team have to sit and suffer through it, but he's going to figure it out sooner or later and once he does he's going to right the ship and we'll be better for it.
He's absolutely our guy, I absolutely think firing him and bringing in another coach is the worst rash decision we could possibly make and I think Jay Jacobs, for all his stupid decisions, has made some kick arse ones too that more than make up for it.
The problem is expectations, some of you guys act like we've been winning National Championships like they were fortune cookies at a chinese buffet. We aren't. I want consistency. I want us to be able to win one year and then win the following year. We aren't going to get that by going through coaches every couple of years.
Now let's calm down, see what Gus does, and hopefully he makes some better decisions at QB. We need the team morale to go up again. That's killing us. We need the defense to feel like the other side of the ball is contributing. That's killing us. We can't handle all the little problems until the big ones get fixed.
Ok I think i'm done. If you didn't read or you don't agree then frick off!
otherwise WDE and enjoy the rest of your weekend. I'll be back to photoshop some shite later.
I think JJ is a fricking wrecking ball to the nads and it's been an absolute pile of dog shite watching him literally lose himself. Whether that be nerves, inability to read a defense, a UTI infection, who the frick knows? Whatever the reason JJ isn't our guy. Gus now has to go through that process and fight that inner battle. He's gotta fight the guy who got so much praise over the last few years and his butthole tickled by the tongues of every reporter that could reach him how he came back to Auburn and turned a defensive guy into a QB that (almost) won it all.
It's a shitty fight because we as fans and Auburn as a University and as a football team have to sit and suffer through it, but he's going to figure it out sooner or later and once he does he's going to right the ship and we'll be better for it.
He's absolutely our guy, I absolutely think firing him and bringing in another coach is the worst rash decision we could possibly make and I think Jay Jacobs, for all his stupid decisions, has made some kick arse ones too that more than make up for it.
The problem is expectations, some of you guys act like we've been winning National Championships like they were fortune cookies at a chinese buffet. We aren't. I want consistency. I want us to be able to win one year and then win the following year. We aren't going to get that by going through coaches every couple of years.
Now let's calm down, see what Gus does, and hopefully he makes some better decisions at QB. We need the team morale to go up again. That's killing us. We need the defense to feel like the other side of the ball is contributing. That's killing us. We can't handle all the little problems until the big ones get fixed.
Ok I think i'm done. If you didn't read or you don't agree then frick off!
otherwise WDE and enjoy the rest of your weekend. I'll be back to photoshop some shite later.
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