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re: Former Auburn WR Marcus Davis to be named WR coach…
Posted on 12/27/22 at 12:56 pm to RandySavage
Posted on 12/27/22 at 12:56 pm to RandySavage
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I just really want to know the formula.
You’re not allowed. Top secret formula. Analytics.
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Posted on 12/27/22 at 12:57 pm to CorchJay
FTR I'm not melting at all. I, like the rest of you, have zero clue about what kind of receiver coach Marcus Davis, or anyone else, may be. I just think the idea of hiring a WR coach based on analytics is laughable.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:02 pm to CorchJay
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Why are we bitching and melting none of us know anything about what Marcus is capable of. And outside of Peeler how many other WR coaches does anyone on here know?
Maybe he’s a home run maybe he’s a strike out. What is funny to me is everyone freaking out about every hire and possibly the worst position coach we have is Caddy now. (Yeah I know blasphemy)
Not blasphemy. If Caddy is the worst coach we have we're in good shape. Yeah I don't get the melt over this wide receiver coach but it entertaining. Especially when people are unsure about which direction to melt from so they just melt too make sure they cover all the melt bases.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:07 pm to WDE24
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If he can’t explain what he is grading and how, why should I care how he grades a position coach.
You either need to know how he comes up with the analytics or seen past results from his recommendations. I’ve seen neither so
Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:09 pm to CorchJay
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Why are we bitching and melting none of us know anything about what Marcus is capable of.
I mean I don’t think anyone is melting. Criticizing is not melting despite what 80% of this board thinks.
Auburn should be able to hire a guy that we already know can coach. That’s where the criticism comes from. But maybe he is good. No way to know
Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:12 pm to WDE24
quote:You tried that with Kentucky Fried?
If he can’t explain what he is grading
Not saying you should buy it; however it sounds like several Universities find it worth looking at.
BTW: No skin in this game. Was just looking at what was being grading which in this case appears to be play calling and (their) recruiting. As for two years track records I bet their analysis makes mention of confidence limits.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:26 pm to RandySavage
quote:This is why I want to see the methodologies. These types of metrics also need to be refined over years and years.
I just really want to know the formula. Are these guys going back and watching receivers drop rates before and after being coached by Davis? How quickly they get in and out of breaks? How well they use their hands to beat press coverage.
I would love to see their laughable criteria. Probably the same clowns running PFF.
- Construct valid definitions of that you're measuring (statistics), for each coach, OC, DC, HC (some of this would be done already)
- Deciding which individual statistic has a causal relationship to "success"
- What are the weights/factor loadings for each of the causal statistics chosen?
- Are the weights/factor loadings static, or do they change? (e.g., If a QB has great TD/INT ratio, but his negative rushing yards are absurdly negative versus only slightly negative. Would this matter?)
- If the factor loadings change, then you have to develop what's called a nomological network, where you map all the interrelationships between all of the statistics used.
IOW, this type stuff can spin up and get really complex, really quick. Anyone know if these analytics guys have PhD's?
FYI, this is an example of a simple nomological network
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This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:30 pm to alpinetiger
Like other posters i would like to know what the categories are that make a coach a 5 star. If he can recruit and develop I guess it doesn't matter but it would be cool to see how they get a ranking.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:31 pm to TTsTowel
What coach has not started off having to prove themselves? For those on this board who have been successful professionally, you worked your arse off but still needed someone to believe in you and give you that first break.
I hope recruits and their families never visit this site.
Yep... I knew the negative Neds would be out in full force today. You guys must be henpecked at the house because all you do here is bitch!
I hope recruits and their families never visit this site.
Yep... I knew the negative Neds would be out in full force today. You guys must be henpecked at the house because all you do here is bitch!
Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:34 pm to BigTastey
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What coach has not started off having to prove themselves? For those on this board who have been successful professionally, you worked your arse off but still needed someone to believe in you and give you that first break. I hope recruits and their families never visit this site. Yep... I knew the negative Neds would be out in full force today. You guys must be henpecked at the house because all you do here is bitch!
This is so laughable. Thank you for this
Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:37 pm to BigTastey
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BigTastey
Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:43 pm to Weagle25
quote:I think most everyone is fine with the hire. I know I am. I'm not going to be pissed generally with anyone AU would hire for WR coach. Davis has great potential (Caddy, Etheredge), is well-thought of the the coaching community, and has S. Florida recruiting connections, and can relate to the young people (he's 29?) Sign 'em up.
This is so laughable. Thank you for this
I think what people are poking fun about is who these analytics people are, and what methodologies they may be using. Kiffin has swallowed analytics hook, line and sinker. Personally I think he looks like a chimpanzee with a headset 4-5 times a game with his in-game decisions.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:49 pm to alpinetiger
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I think what people are poking fun about is who these analytics people are,
I read the analytics people are led by Forrest Davis.
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:51 pm to alpinetiger
Perhaps simple compared to some
However there's admirable results using something as simple as Bayesian probability.
(NSFW: a youtube discussing covid )
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However there's admirable results using something as simple as Bayesian probability.
(NSFW: a youtube discussing covid )
Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:56 pm to TTsTowel
Was Marcus the one who caught the key fourth down pass at aTm in 2013?
Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:57 pm to alpinetiger
Can he recruit and will kids play hard for him? I don't think analytics can answer those questions. He's young and has something to prove. Fits the mold for a few of CHFs position coaches.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:59 pm to Woodrow Wilson
Yes, except it was third down and 9.
What he did after that….who knows
What he did after that….who knows
Posted on 12/27/22 at 2:01 pm to jangalang
The problem for me isn't the hire, it's the "analytical approach"
Posted on 12/27/22 at 2:04 pm to CorchJay
Don’t get so dramatic over several of us questioning a hire or more the process used. I m still supporting the team. Settle down
Not mad or bitching. Just curious about the analytics and why someone so inexperienced?
Not mad or bitching. Just curious about the analytics and why someone so inexperienced?
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 12/27/22 at 2:05 pm to HonorThyWarEagle
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The problem for me isn't the hire, it's the "analytical approach"
Same, a MEH hire but no problem with it. And how did the "analytical approach" get into the process of evaluations and hiring?
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