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Posted on 4/27/15 at 11:42 am
Posted on 4/27/15 at 11:42 am
We seem to be the hottest name in the enrollment discussion thread on SECr so what do you guys think? Does Alabama and UGA fans notion that higher enrollment results in a better school? (the answer is no)
And with the state of Alabama education budget cuts we'll likely see a higher percentage of out of state students in the next few freshman classes to try and recoup some of that lost money. Agreed?
And with the state of Alabama education budget cuts we'll likely see a higher percentage of out of state students in the next few freshman classes to try and recoup some of that lost money. Agreed?
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Posted on 4/27/15 at 12:36 pm to Rig
I don't think there's anybody who believes Auburn should grow above 25k students...I didn't want to see us go above 24k back when I was a freshman. I would be pleased with a number around 20k. Say if we did have the goal of decreasing tuition...would it be terrible if we raised tuition the right amount to where we didn't lose money even taking in less kids? I know there are some complex financial numbers behind these decision, and I just don't know enough about it. I just know what I want to see Auburn become, and it's certainly not a large state school like UGA, Bama, UT, Florida, etc.
I hope with this campaign to raise 1 billion, we can see notable improvement in the academic quality of the school. I love sports, but I first and foremost want to see Auburn succeed in academics.
I hope with this campaign to raise 1 billion, we can see notable improvement in the academic quality of the school. I love sports, but I first and foremost want to see Auburn succeed in academics.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 12:54 pm to Rig
I think Auburn is just fine at their size. I reject the notion that a school must continually grow in attendance to be a successful school.
I would like to see the breakdown, but my guess is Auburn is already getting out of state students for some of their degree programs, but yes I agree we should probably see an increase in OOS enrollment.
I would like to see the breakdown, but my guess is Auburn is already getting out of state students for some of their degree programs, but yes I agree we should probably see an increase in OOS enrollment.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 1:07 pm to Rig
Alabama enrollment has grown largely because they have lower admission standards as far as I can tell. I know that in my daughters HS class, the dumbasses who couldnt get accepted anywhere else always got accepted at Bama.
In any case, AU is a good size. I dont see the size of other schools as being relevant.
In any case, AU is a good size. I dont see the size of other schools as being relevant.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 1:23 pm to Rig
Something I would like to see discussed is the amount of large apartment complexes going up around the city. I really wish there could have been a circle drawn around Auburn to keep it the loveliest village, and any apartment complexes would be forced to go out to Longleaf or down Wire.
In connection with the OP, I'm assuming so many buildings are in construction is due to the fact that enrollment is expected to go up in the next decade.
In connection with the OP, I'm assuming so many buildings are in construction is due to the fact that enrollment is expected to go up in the next decade.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 1:47 pm to Rig
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Does Alabama and UGA fans notion that higher enrollment results in a better school?
It's the exact opposite actually
Posted on 4/27/15 at 1:50 pm to Rig
Stanford has ~9000 undergrads.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 2:07 pm to Pavoloco83
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Alabama enrollment has grown largely because they have lower admission standards as far as I can tell. I know that in my daughters HS class, the dumbasses who couldnt get accepted anywhere else always got accepted at Bama.
In any case, AU is a good size. I dont see the size of other schools as being relevant.
So, I have degrees at Alabama and Auburn and I lived on and around both campuses. I think online growth is a major factor. Multiple undergraduate and graduate degrees at Alabama are done through distant learning formats that require no campus participation. That's basically straight revenue that the university receives without using up many campus resources. When I was in Tuscaloosa, the campus never felt drastically bigger than Auburn's.
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In employers' mindset, the SEC schools are on pretty even par at the few companies I've worked at. Some programs stand out at each university, but having degrees from Auburn and Alabama and outfitting my team at my job now - I don't really see a difference in the quality of applicants that I meet with from those schools
Just my take.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 2:23 pm to AUCE05
Contrarian View:
With the new industry, extra exits, unregulated growth in apartments, IMHO, Auburn should have sustained growth. No reason just to keep it around a set number such as 25,000.
HOWEVER: Having said that, bigger is NOT always better. IF size is the only variable, the BEST cities in the world are
1. Shanghai, China (24,150,000)
2. Karachi, Pakistan (23,500,000)
3. Beijing, China (21,516,000)
4. Tianjin, China (14,722,100)
5. Istanbul, Turkey (14,377.019)
Must be better than
19. Tokyo, Japan (9,071,577)
21. New York, NY (8,491,079)
23. London, England (8,416,500)
64. Los Angeles (3,884,307)
LINK
With the new industry, extra exits, unregulated growth in apartments, IMHO, Auburn should have sustained growth. No reason just to keep it around a set number such as 25,000.
HOWEVER: Having said that, bigger is NOT always better. IF size is the only variable, the BEST cities in the world are
1. Shanghai, China (24,150,000)
2. Karachi, Pakistan (23,500,000)
3. Beijing, China (21,516,000)
4. Tianjin, China (14,722,100)
5. Istanbul, Turkey (14,377.019)
Must be better than
19. Tokyo, Japan (9,071,577)
21. New York, NY (8,491,079)
23. London, England (8,416,500)
64. Los Angeles (3,884,307)
LINK
Posted on 4/27/15 at 2:30 pm to StringedInstruments
I remember reading about how Bobby Lowder bragged that Auburn Business school is now accessible to the average AL resident. 
I'd like to think as the elite academic school in the state, we would want to brag about having standards.
The bigger issue is that in order to draw out of state kids, we are spending a lot of money on luxuries not academics. It is absurd how many non academic departments and organizations are funded by the university.
I'd like to think as the elite academic school in the state, we would want to brag about having standards. The bigger issue is that in order to draw out of state kids, we are spending a lot of money on luxuries not academics. It is absurd how many non academic departments and organizations are funded by the university.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 2:33 pm to allin2010
It seems if the university grows, it becomes more difficult to regulate the quality of education each student is receiving, and if the staff doesn't grow at the same rate, the professor to student ration decreases.
At notable private schools, we see the $ spent per student at significantly higher numbers than large state schools, and the ratio between professors and students is more favorable (less students per professor).
If the university grows, but attempts to curtail spending by keeping the amount of faculty relatively consistent, I would be worried.
I was in one of Auburn's CADC, and I know the university was not in favor of the professor to student ratio that existed there (it was a drastically lower number of students per professor than other programs on campus) yet that college is one of Auburn's signatures.
At notable private schools, we see the $ spent per student at significantly higher numbers than large state schools, and the ratio between professors and students is more favorable (less students per professor).
If the university grows, but attempts to curtail spending by keeping the amount of faculty relatively consistent, I would be worried.
I was in one of Auburn's CADC, and I know the university was not in favor of the professor to student ratio that existed there (it was a drastically lower number of students per professor than other programs on campus) yet that college is one of Auburn's signatures.
This post was edited on 4/27/15 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 4/27/15 at 2:33 pm to Pavoloco83
I agree. I don't know anyone declined from bama but know several declined from Auburn.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 3:16 pm to Rig
<------------ Sidewalk fan
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Posted on 4/27/15 at 3:28 pm to StringedInstruments
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Something I would like to see discussed is the amount of large apartment complexes going up around the city. I really wish there could have been a circle drawn around Auburn to keep it the loveliest village, and any apartment complexes would be forced to go out to Longleaf or down Wire.
In connection with the OP, I'm assuming so many buildings are in construction is due to the fact that enrollment is expected to go up in the next decade.
Apparently, this doesn't matter to the ones that make the decisions at the city of Auburn. As long as Bill Ham, Tom Haley and the likes are around, retaining "The Loveliest Village" image will never be a priority. The city of Auburn has no identity outside of the University.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 3:46 pm to LanierSpots
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<------------ Sidewalk fan
Would you please just sweep your sidewalk?
Occasionally?
PLEASE?
Posted on 4/27/15 at 4:12 pm to GenesChin
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I remember reading about how Bobby Lowder bragged that Auburn Business school is now accessible to the average AL resident. I'd like to think as the elite academic school in the state, we would want to brag about having standards.
Under Dean Hargraves and thanks to the 40 million dollar donation from the Harbert family, AU business is headed upward. I sit on an industry advisory committee to the supply chain and logistics faculty at AU. I was jsut down there for a meeting. In supply chain alone, they've hired two top PhD's for research and development of graduate studies with intent in a few years to have a PhD program. Auburn is not a research university as far as the Business School goes. Dean Hargraves wants to get to that over a 5 year span, but hiring eminent scholars is critical to that.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 4:43 pm to Gimme back that fish
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The city of Auburn has no identity outside of the University.
this is true, but does tuscaloosa have any other identity than their University (their amphitheater)? What SEC school towns have an identity that is not related to the university? Nashville? yea. Columbia? Baton Rouge? Knoxville? Athens? These are really the only ones I can think of off the top of my head, and I'm not even sure about any of them other than Nashville.
When you think of Tuscaloosa, what do you think of?
Not saying I don't wish Auburn had an identity outside of the school, just sort of saying that is the nature of the beast.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 4:48 pm to AUNashville
One of the ways that AU business is working on to increase enrollment without impacting teacher/student ratios or excess hiring, is the use of off campus internships.
If you can rotate students through 3-6 month paid internships off campus in major, thats one kid getting an education off site that can free up a classroom chair. In supply chain I know this is an active strategy.
I just hope it doesnt get as bad as Florida. At Florida they have freshman classes where the are more kids signed up for a class than can possibly fit in the class room. They cover the class on closed circuit TV and kids can watch the class from their dorm or apartment. Thats all well and fine until your roomie wants to watch oprah at the same time or you have a question etc.
I had a former colleague who transferred from Florida to North Florida just because of the overcrowding. And Florida is damn HARD to get into for the same reasons as Georgia... state scholarships.
If you can rotate students through 3-6 month paid internships off campus in major, thats one kid getting an education off site that can free up a classroom chair. In supply chain I know this is an active strategy.
I just hope it doesnt get as bad as Florida. At Florida they have freshman classes where the are more kids signed up for a class than can possibly fit in the class room. They cover the class on closed circuit TV and kids can watch the class from their dorm or apartment. Thats all well and fine until your roomie wants to watch oprah at the same time or you have a question etc.
I had a former colleague who transferred from Florida to North Florida just because of the overcrowding. And Florida is damn HARD to get into for the same reasons as Georgia... state scholarships.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 5:12 pm to Rig
Lower student enrollment and hire admission standards is fine for me. I'd rather my university turn into a diploma mill.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 5:21 pm to Aubie Spr96
quote:Looks like they weren't high enough when you went to Auburn.
Lower student enrollment and hire admission standards is fine for me. I'd rather my university turn into a diploma mill.
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