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Posted on 10/16/13 at 1:07 pm to
Posted by parkjas2001
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 1:07 pm to
AU's QB situation is not broke...not sure why everyone is trying to fix it.

Everytime we would sub a QB, the defense would sub as well and bring in appropriate personnel for the QB. Refs now hold play until everyone is set and ready. Hell that is why the wildcat doesnt work as well as it did 5 years ago.
Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 1:09 pm to
Only if you are going to make the change permanent. A qb that is struggling, doesn't get it turned around on the sideline watching the back up for a series. He either plays better or you replace him, but sitting out a couple of series is usually the worst way to deal with it.
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 1:11 pm to
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Let me ask you this.....if NM gets in a funk in a game airing post patterns too far and missing easy slant passes again, will you be calling for JJ to spell him for a few drives?

Nope. Once you pull your starter at QB, his confidence is shot. Once your QBs confidence is shot, he sucks. And despite what everyone on here seems to think, Johnson is not guaranteed to be any good at QB. He looked good against WCU. That means very little.
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 1:13 pm to
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Only if you are going to make the change permanent. A qb that is struggling, doesn't get it turned around on the sideline watching the back up for a series. He either plays better or you replace him, but sitting out a couple of series is usually the worst way to deal with it.

All of this.
Posted by parkjas2001
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 1:13 pm to
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Let me ask you this.....if NM gets in a funk in a game airing post patterns too far and missing easy slant passes again, will you be calling for JJ to spell him for a few drives?


Absolutely not. You either let him fix it during the game or you make a change at halftime/after the game moving forward.
Posted by Rabern57
Alabama
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 1:18 pm to
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Worst idea ever if you're trying to compete this year.


Its also a bad idea to not give your backup QB, who you burnt his RS 5 games in to help compete, only running Wildcat and playing against WCU and Florida Atl. I would rather give him a few drives early in an SEC game when it matters to get real practice. He would be a lot better prepared in case NM hurts his knee again, which there is a good chance of.

Posted by CreoleAubie
NC
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 1:18 pm to
claro
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 1:20 pm to
I find it hard to beleive any moderately astute football observer can't pretty quickly see Johnson is a much more natural thrower and QB than Marshall.

His ability to make quick reads and accurate throws is something I don't see Marshall ever being consistently good at. Hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
Posted by parkjas2001
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 1:21 pm to
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I would rather give him a few drives early in an SEC game when it matters to get real practice.


SEC games are not for practice.

I see what you are saying but those drives...esp early are way to important.

Give him the second half of FLA. If we get up big against Arky or UT, bring him in in the 4th, but not early.
Posted by parkjas2001
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 1:23 pm to
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I find it hard to beleive any moderately astute football observer can't pretty quickly see Johnson is a much more natural thrower and QB than Marshall.


It was basically a controlled environment. He was never rushed, nor had to go through his progressions more than a handful of times. He did nothing bad, but nobody has seen him in real action yet to say he is a "much more natural thrower and QB than Marshall".
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 1:25 pm to
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I would rather give him a few drives early in an SEC game when it matters to get real practice.

Like I said, if you want to compete this year it's a bad idea. If you want to look forward to next year, you can use the SEC games as practice. You pull Marshall to let Johnson have drives and his confidence is shot. Thus making us not competitive this year with a true freshman.
Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 1:26 pm to
Just because you made a mistake burning a red shirt doesn't mean you double down on the mistake by experimenting in meaningful games with a platoon qb strategy.

Play your back up in garbage time or when the starter gets injured like every other back up.
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 1:26 pm to
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I find it hard to beleive any moderately astute football observer can't pretty quickly see Johnson is a much more natural thrower and QB than Marshall.

Just because you're a natural thrower doesn't make you a good QB. There's a lot of variables of Johnson's game we didn't see because we were playing a high school team. They couldn't expose his weaknesses but an SEC team will. We just have to wait and see what those are. So like I said, he's no guarantee.
This post was edited on 10/16/13 at 1:28 pm
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 1:30 pm to
Can we finish 2013 first?



I do like the QB battle for 2014: White, Johnson, and Marshall. Might be the deepest QB battle in Auburn that I can remember.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 1:41 pm to
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but nobody has seen him in real action yet to say he is a "much more natural thrower and QB than Marshall".


I agree with the first part of your post and I'm far from claiming Johnson is the next big thing but you can certainly watch people throw and tell which has a more natural looking throwing motion.
Posted by marshallcotiger
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 1:50 pm to
There is a reason Johnson's practice reps increased before the OM game and imo it had nothing to do with having a better 2nd team qb.
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 4:52 pm to
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AU's QB situation is not broke...not sure why everyone is trying to fix it.


If all you want to do is beat the Miss schools, Tenn, and Ark and go 8-4 this year and next, sure, it's not broken.

But in order to beat A&M, Bama, Georgia, and LSU we are going to have to be able to pass downfield 15+ yards, and outside of one drive against MSU Marshall has not shown the ability to do that with any consistency. Perhaps he will improve, perhaps not, but lets not act like Marshall has been above average throwing the ball, because he hasn't.

I am by no means advocating a change at the current time, but if Marshall continues to struggle throwing the football I wouldn't mind seeing what Johnson can do. Gus's offense is highly dependent on throwing downfield to be truly effective, and so far Marshall has shown little ability to do so, which has led to us being very hot and cold on offense.
Posted by parkjas2001
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 4:55 pm to
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I am by no means advocating a change at the current time


So you agree with me.
Posted by The Nino
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 5:25 pm to
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He has never used a 2 QB system. Didn't at Arky, Tulsa, Auburn, or Arky St.

2011 Auburn: BT with KF
2009 Auburn: Todd with Burns
2008 Tulsa: David Johnson with Jacob Bower

Not all of those wQBs were traditional QBs per say, but Gus used them throughout the season in most games lined up in the QB position, and they all had a pass threat. Gus doesn't use the 2nd QB like the classic Leak/Tebow example, but has used it in most of his recent seasons.

I don't know how he plans to use JJ as a wQB since he is more of a pass threat than a run threat, but I expect Gus uses JJ in our remanding games just so the opposing DC has to prepare for our offense under a different QB.


ETA: As for 2014, I don't know or care really at this point. I want to see how both NM and JJ progress this season first
This post was edited on 10/16/13 at 5:28 pm
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 10/16/13 at 5:28 pm to
2010: Cam Newton and Burns


Someone had to throw Cam that TD pass in the OM game
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