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Newcomb has got to cut down on walks.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:27 pm
This will be his downfall if he can't correct it. It is too early in his career to worry, but he has had this issue at every level.
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Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:35 pm to AUCE05
We traded a once in a generation player for em.So he needs to get it together sooner rather than later.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:54 pm to AUCE05
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This will be his downfall if he can't correct it. It is too early in his career to worry, but he has had this issue at every level.
Dissapointing considering how in control he looked his first 2 starts.
But yea, he has to at least minimize it. He can't keep starting in the major leagues if he pitches like he did last night control wise.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:59 pm to RD Dawg
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We traded a once in a generation player
Once in a generation? From 2015-2017 he ranks #23 amongst shortstops in offensive WAR & wRC+ and #1 in defensive WAR.
He's an incredible defensive shortstop and an average to, this year at least, above average offensive shortstop (#4 amongst shortstops in rRC+ at 122). But he's certainly not once in a generation.
I mean, he's in a generation of shortstops that includes : Carlos Correa, Corey Seager, Fransisco Lindor and Xander Bogaerts. I don't think he's as good an overall player as those guys, so he certainly isn't the "one" in his generation. He's not even in the top group.
This post was edited on 8/4/17 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 8/4/17 at 8:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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But he's certainly not once in a generation.
Huh?Do you really want me to quote journalist and GM's?
Ah,the Coppy fluffer steps up again,
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Nor even of the top of his group
Honesty are you that bitter and distorted?
Do you or care that a Shortstop is BY FAR the most important defensive position in BB?
Did you even play baseball in HS?
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:04 pm to RD Dawg
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Honesty are you that bitter and distorted?
Have you ever heard Simmons mentioned in that group I just named? He's a step below them in WAR and amongst most talent evaluators. I mean come on.
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Huh?Do you really want me to quote journalist and GM's?
Yes, please do. He's an all timer defensively, but all around? That's ludicrous.
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Did you even play baseball in HS?
I played shortstop in high school and college, yes.
I love Andrelton. I'm super happy for the success he is having. And, if Newcomb doesn't figure out how to throw strikes then we will look back on that trade as a big fail. But he's not a once in a generation all around shortstop. That's craziness.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:13 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Lindor is the best shortstop in baseball right now.
I have not been impressed by Newcomb at all. He had 7 walks last night and it didn't feel unusual.
I have not been impressed by Newcomb at all. He had 7 walks last night and it didn't feel unusual.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 9:15 pm to VADawg
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I have not been impressed by Newcomb at all. He had 7 walks last night and it didn't feel unusual.
His first few starts he was pumping strikes, but ever since the Houston start he's been wild in and out of the zone. I don't know if getting shelled sent him back into bad habits or what, but you can't pitch like that and keep a job. Even in the bullpen.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 11:01 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Andrelton actually is third in all of baseball in bWAR. He only trails Sale and Judge. Defensively speaking, he is once in a generation. Overall, he is a great asset and a potential building block for a team, especially if you try to acquire groundball pitcherd.
Posted on 8/5/17 at 10:48 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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This guy comments on his command after the trade was made. Seems like it was well known. The trade turned out to be Newcomb for Simmons straight up now. Time will tell if it was worth it, but wild in the zone is a recipe for disaster in the bigs. Personally, I don't see Dansby as a franchise type player. He had one year in college with power. I was always a fan of Simmons and his glove. I am also very skeptical of Newcomb. I have been watching baseball for a long time, and guys with command issues rarely work out.
This guy comments on his command after the trade was made. Seems like it was well known. The trade turned out to be Newcomb for Simmons straight up now. Time will tell if it was worth it, but wild in the zone is a recipe for disaster in the bigs. Personally, I don't see Dansby as a franchise type player. He had one year in college with power. I was always a fan of Simmons and his glove. I am also very skeptical of Newcomb. I have been watching baseball for a long time, and guys with command issues rarely work out.
This post was edited on 8/5/17 at 10:48 am
Posted on 8/5/17 at 11:25 am to AUCE05
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I have been watching baseball for a long time, and guys with command issues rarely work out.
Agree. Guys at the professional level generally don't "learn" to be patient hitters and pitchers don't usually "learn" how to be precise pitchers. They may slightly improve, but you don't see many guys go from wild to precise. Honestly, the best example of a guy gradually fixing that is Folty. His transformation from right handed Newcomb to a guy who basically throws strikes is pretty incredible. He still has issues, but he's greatly improved that one.
I still think Newcomb ends up being a 8th inning reliever ala Andrew Miller (not necessarily that good, obviously), but we'll see.
This post was edited on 8/5/17 at 11:28 am
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:53 am to SummerOfGeorge
It's not all that unusual for guys to improve their BB/9 over their first few years. I personally see Newcomb has a good 3/4 guy in a rotation, not a frontline starter. If we can get him down to 3-4 BB per start, we'll be in good shape.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:58 am to gatorhata9
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It's not all that unusual for guys to improve their BB/9 over their first few years. I personally see Newcomb has a good 3/4 guy in a rotation, not a frontline starter. If we can get him down to 3-4 BB per start, we'll be in good shape.
I'd be ecstatic if we got Folty type improvement in that front.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 12:15 pm to RD Dawg
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We traded a once in a generation player for em.So he needs to get it together sooner rather than later.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:37 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Once in a generation? From 2015-2017 he ranks #23 amongst shortstops in offensive WAR & wRC+ and #1 in defensive WAR.
Do you wanna guess who' s #2 in WAR in MLB and #1 in defense ?
Simmons case for MVP
To not put him on the top tier of SS in MLB is absurd
Posted on 8/23/17 at 11:57 am to RD Dawg
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To not put him on the top tier of SS in MLB is absurd
A "tier" is a group. "Once in generation" is one person better than all the rest. They are not the same thing.
Andrelton has had a great season this year and I'm happy for him. If he has a followup season like this offensively then he will have proven he is an elite SS all around. He will still not be a "once in a generation" shortstop.
This post was edited on 8/23/17 at 11:58 am
Posted on 8/23/17 at 12:02 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Newcomb's last 6 starts (July 23 - Aug 20) (@LAD, @PHI, LAD, PHI, @COL, CIN)
32 2/3 IP (5 2/3 per start)
3.31 ERA
1.50 WHIP
6.6 H/9
6.9 BB/9
9.9 K/9
60% Strikes/40% Balls
32 2/3 IP (5 2/3 per start)
3.31 ERA
1.50 WHIP
6.6 H/9
6.9 BB/9
9.9 K/9
60% Strikes/40% Balls
This post was edited on 8/23/17 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Have to like how he has shown he can come back after giving up a run or two without getting rattled. Folty needs that.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:18 pm to Buddy2012
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Have to like how he has shown he can come back after giving up a run or two without getting rattled. Folty needs that.
They need to have a John Smoltz type come to Jesus meeting with Folty about his emotions this off-season. We'll pay for doctors or whatever, but that shite ends now. We have 15 pitchers in the pipeline and if can't control yourself we will send your arse to Tampa.
This post was edited on 8/23/17 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 8/28/17 at 1:11 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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They need to have a John Smoltz type come to Jesus meeting with Folty about his emotions this off-season. We'll pay for doctors or whatever, but that shite ends now. We have 15 pitchers in the pipeline and if can't control yourself we will send your arse to Tampa.
so much this.
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