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re: Why is Tyson Foods putting out bad info about Voting Rights
Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:39 pm to Pigfeet
Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:39 pm to Pigfeet
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Oh no, they about to corrupt the elections, going to take my gunz away, ban same sex marriage, etc.
Nobody said anything about Guns and gays, we are talking about casting your vote and proving you are a legal citizen and you are the person you say you are. Its not that hard to do. If you cant find an ID you are either too lazy or dumb to do it. Nobody is making this out to be a Dem/Rep argument but you junior.
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 12:42 pm to hogminer
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Nobody said anything about Guns and gays, we are talking about casting your vote and proving you are a legal citizen and you are the person you say you are.
You don't even understand the laws on the books and that is ok, but to keep saying you should have to have an ID to cast your vote is just unAmerican
Posted on 3/1/16 at 1:13 pm to hogminer
Every single voter ID law is targeted at reducing voters, not fraud.
There are groups of citizens who have a hard time getting ID's. Typically the poorer individuals, also those who live in rural areas, are older, have medical issues and it disproportionately targets minorities.
This is why the statistics about actual fraud are important. There ARE studies about how many people it would prevent from voting due to lack of access to proper documentation or inability to afford it. How many non-anecdotal voter fraud reports are there?
Why not make voting mandatory? Why not have everyone issued an ID for free?
Because that's not why they want those laws. They're designed to reduce voting, not protect it. Now quit being a dumbass and figure out why this argument exists and why it's being pushed so very hard by one side and not the other :)
Jim Crow salutes you.
There are groups of citizens who have a hard time getting ID's. Typically the poorer individuals, also those who live in rural areas, are older, have medical issues and it disproportionately targets minorities.
This is why the statistics about actual fraud are important. There ARE studies about how many people it would prevent from voting due to lack of access to proper documentation or inability to afford it. How many non-anecdotal voter fraud reports are there?
Why not make voting mandatory? Why not have everyone issued an ID for free?
Because that's not why they want those laws. They're designed to reduce voting, not protect it. Now quit being a dumbass and figure out why this argument exists and why it's being pushed so very hard by one side and not the other :)
Jim Crow salutes you.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 1:36 pm to Killean
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Every single voter ID law is targeted at reducing voters, not fraud.
There are groups of citizens who have a hard time getting ID's. Typically the poorer individuals, also those who live in rural areas, are older, have medical issues and it disproportionately targets minorities.
This is why the statistics about actual fraud are important. There ARE studies about how many people it would prevent from voting due to lack of access to proper documentation or inability to afford it. How many non-anecdotal voter fraud reports are there?
Why not make voting mandatory? Why not have everyone issued an ID for free?
Because that's not why they want those laws. They're designed to reduce voting, not protect it. Now quit being a dumbass and figure out why this argument exists and why it's being pushed so very hard by one side and not the other :)
Jim Crow salutes you
Posted on 3/1/16 at 1:52 pm to Pigfeet
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You don't even understand the laws on the books and that is ok, but to keep saying you should have to have an ID to cast your vote is just unAmerican
Wow. Good day to you.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:11 pm to Killean
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Now quit being a dumbass and figure out why this argument exists
You can regurgitate your liberal theories all you want but it doesn't change my opinion.... which is not based on keeping minorities from voting. If you want to vote, prove you are who you say you are. This isnt fricking Somalia, its not that hard, most states issue an ID card for 5 or 10 bucks.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:13 pm to Killean
i'm just gonna say it, if you're too poor to get a $5 id card then you don't deserve to vote imo.
This post was edited on 3/1/16 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:28 pm to hogminer
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You can regurgitate your liberal theories all you want but it doesn't change my opinion
What about the homeless vet that doesn't have a penny to his name or id and decides he wants to vote on Election day?
What about our service people overseas that get to vote without id, through absentee ballots?
Help me understand your poll taxing, literacy testing thinking?
This post was edited on 3/1/16 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:35 pm to hogminer
Theories are scientifically testable. That's why they're liberal theories. You just have utter bullshite :)
Most states issues an ID care for 5 or 10 bucks? Ok, what states? What steps do you have to go through? What sort of documentation do you have to provide?
Most states issues an ID care for 5 or 10 bucks? Ok, what states? What steps do you have to go through? What sort of documentation do you have to provide?
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:41 pm to Pigfeet
What if's are there in any situation if you look hard enough.
Go back and read the thread. My opinion will be the most that you young men get from me.
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Help me understand your poll taxing, literacy testing thinking?
Go back and read the thread. My opinion will be the most that you young men get from me.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:42 pm to Killean
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What steps do you have to go through? What sort of documentation do you have to provide?
here's what you need.
Your Social Security number (SSN) OR a signed affidavit stating you are ineligible for one.
2 documents proving your identity, such as your:
U.S. birth certificate.
Passport.
Health insurance card.
Proof of your legal U.S. presence, such as your:
U.S. passport.
Valid U.S. visa.
U.S. citizenship certificate.
Proof of your name change (if applicable), such as your:
Divorce decree.
Marriage license.
Court order.
To have your photo taken.
To pay the $5 fee.
THE UTTER HORROR!!!!!
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:43 pm to hogminer
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What if's are there in any situation if you look hard enough.
All you had to say was "I don't have an answer for your 2 questions". That would have been enough.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:46 pm to piggilicious
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our Social Security number (SSN) OR a signed affidavit stating you are ineligible for one.
2 documents proving your identity, such as your:
U.S. birth certificate.
Passport.
Health insurance card.
Proof of your legal U.S. presence, such as your:
U.S. passport.
Valid U.S. visa.
U.S. citizenship certificate.
Proof of your name change (if applicable), such as your:
Divorce decree.
Marriage license.
Court order.
To have your photo taken.
To pay the $5 fee.
THE UTTER HORROR!!!!!
What about the homeless vet that doesn't have a penny to his name or id and decides he wants to vote on Election day?
What about our service people overseas that get to vote without id, through absentee ballots, should they be allowed?
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:49 pm to piggilicious
Incidentally, requirements and fees vary by state.
In Arkansas for example, in the Constitution all it requires is that you be 18 and lawfully registered. Voter ID would require a constitutional amendment.
In other states, fees and documents are a lot harder.
Should Homeless people be ineligible to vote?
How about the considerable number of people born during periods without access to birth certificates, largely rural populations and predominantly blacks due to laws in the south at the time (1910's through 1950's).
In Arkansas for example, in the Constitution all it requires is that you be 18 and lawfully registered. Voter ID would require a constitutional amendment.
In other states, fees and documents are a lot harder.
Should Homeless people be ineligible to vote?
How about the considerable number of people born during periods without access to birth certificates, largely rural populations and predominantly blacks due to laws in the south at the time (1910's through 1950's).
Posted on 3/1/16 at 2:58 pm to Pigfeet
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What about the homeless vet that doesn't have a penny to his name or id and decides he wants to vote on Election day?
if he's homeless he's probably unaware of the election anyway, maybe he's sleeping under a box etc.
btw- that's a pathetically sad attempt, pigfeet. maybe we should worry about helping the homeless vets get off the streets and then after that's taken care of they can go vote.
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What about our service people overseas that get to vote without id, through absentee ballots, should they be allowed?
if they're in the service they should be allowed to vote of course. i don't think anyone would have an issue with that. of all people, their vote should count.
however, crackhead chris and methhead melissa should have to show some id at their local precinct.
This post was edited on 3/1/16 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:12 pm to Killean
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Theories are scientifically testable.
OK,Sure.
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You just have utter bullshite :)
Thanks, your tolerance is shining through.
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Most states issues an ID care for 5 or 10 bucks?
Yes
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Ok, what states?
Google MFer.
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What sort of documentation do you have to provide?
Google MFer.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:12 pm to Pigfeet
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You don't even understand the laws on the books and that is ok
Because this thread is about the integrity of the process, and not about your personal hate of Tyson Foods....
Like your other 25 threads about Tyson are about food safety and not your personal hate of Tyson Foods.
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:35 pm to Pigfeet
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All you had to say was "I don't have time to argue with the kid who is full of hyperbole". That would have been enough.
Agreed
Posted on 3/1/16 at 3:54 pm to piggilicious
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if they're in the service they should be allowed to vote of course. i don't think anyone would have an issue with that. of all people, their vote should count.
My point is, absentee voting doesn't require ID, so why should any American have to at the local polling station?
We should make voting easier, not put requirements on it.
This post was edited on 3/1/16 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 3/1/16 at 4:02 pm to Pigfeet
you're required some type of action to get an absentee ballot. they don't tape them up at walmart on the peg board for anyone to come get and drop off in a barrel outside the door. in other words, there is some type of process there that at least attempts to ensure the person voting is who they say they are.
bull fricking shite we should.
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We should make voting easier, not put requirements on it.
bull fricking shite we should.
This post was edited on 3/1/16 at 4:10 pm
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