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re: Why does everyone here seem to hate the idea of gus as our coach?
Posted on 6/17/17 at 8:53 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Posted on 6/17/17 at 8:53 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Well the argument really wasn't if he was better than Bert. That poster you responded to doesn't care for Bert one bit so I don't think that was his point.
IMO we shouldn't be looking for someone better for Bert but the best we can realistically get that isn't a stretch.
IMO we shouldn't be looking for someone better for Bert but the best we can realistically get that isn't a stretch.
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Posted on 6/17/17 at 8:57 pm to rockiee
You're right this wasn't a thread I started to say how I wanted him as our coach. I believe there's better out there. But i guess it's just simple trolling on the rant whenever we used to talk shite about their coach knowing we didn't have anyone better on our sidelines
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:00 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Pretty much what you said.
I have never had anything against Gus but I get why there are some negative feelings about him. There was blame to go around to many people during the end of Nutt's tenure.
I have never had anything against Gus but I get why there are some negative feelings about him. There was blame to go around to many people during the end of Nutt's tenure.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:13 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Having Gus Malzahn as coach is just a bad fit, I think. Poindexter as the face of the hogs? I don't know about that. For this program to have legitimate success we'll need a coach who will tell you about it or who is just straight up a bad arse- i.e. Petrino or Spurrier...
Bielema got quite a project when he jumped on board and thems facts. If he only wins 7 games this year I'm hopping on the frick fat-arse train, though. Maybe I'll become a patriot fan.
Bielema got quite a project when he jumped on board and thems facts. If he only wins 7 games this year I'm hopping on the frick fat-arse train, though. Maybe I'll become a patriot fan.
This post was edited on 6/17/17 at 9:14 pm
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:14 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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It took 4 ots and his team to have a terrible case of 1st half drops for bert to get his only win against gus which gus followed up with a 53 point arse whipping duck yes I'm serious
Evaluating a coach's h2h record against another coach is a horrible metric to consider, but I agree that he is better than Bert. However, that is like being the nicest guy in prison. Every coach in the conference except Freeze and maybe Orgeron is better than Bert. I wouldn't want Gus when the inevitable happens and Bert is gone. His offense is borderline unstoppable when he has someone like Cam Newton, Darren McFadden, or Nick Marshall running it, but unfortunately for him those guys don't come around often and he hasn't yet developed a QB to run that offense. When he doesn't have that, his offense has been a big case of "wtf" against opponents that aren't as bad as the 2016 Arkansas Razorbacks. He has been pretty mediocre at Auburn outside of that one season, and Auburn has greater resources to succeed in college football than Arkansas does. He went 8-5 this year against a bad division with a fricking phenomenal defense. The "offensive guru" scored 7 points against Georgia and lost to Jim Chaney's equally incompetent offense because Gus' own offense surrendered more points than Georgia scored.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:17 pm to Arkansasrazorback
Again. Not a gus fan. Just didn't get the hate considering who we had coaching.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:25 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Being better than Bert is not a job qualification and it shouldn't disqualify fans from criticizing that coach. Houston Nutt, unless proven otherwise, is better than or at the very least equal to Bert. Most Hog fans hate him too and would not want him back.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:26 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Gus would do worse here than Houston Nutt, worse than Bert, worse than Ford, back to the Crowe days.
Nutt wasn't good at recruiting and development with the QB position but his offense doesn't rely on the QB like Gus's. Crowe's offense relied on the QB position that he was never able to recruit or develop while here see the results that followed.
GT has t really had the success with Johnson many thought would happen with his system but better athletes than Navy. So why do people think Gus would be the 7-8 win average coach here that he is at auburn with less talent? 7.5 wins is his average at auburn outside of cam and marshall's first year, that is with a QB list long enough to make Nutt himself envious.
Nutt wasn't good at recruiting and development with the QB position but his offense doesn't rely on the QB like Gus's. Crowe's offense relied on the QB position that he was never able to recruit or develop while here see the results that followed.
GT has t really had the success with Johnson many thought would happen with his system but better athletes than Navy. So why do people think Gus would be the 7-8 win average coach here that he is at auburn with less talent? 7.5 wins is his average at auburn outside of cam and marshall's first year, that is with a QB list long enough to make Nutt himself envious.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:32 pm to DaleDenton
quote:not gonna say anything about the rest of of your statement because you may very well be right about all that but hasn't Johnson been to 2 or 3 orange bowls at g tech? That's pretty good for them I think in the time he's been there
GT has t really had the success with Johnson
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:40 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Going into his 10th season he's 70-48 overall 42-30 in conference 3-5 bowl record.
The acc coastal is weaker than the sec east as well...
Nutt was 75-48 over all 42-38 in conference 2-4 in bowls.
So no I wouldn't say Johnson has met the expectations based on his offense having talented players when he took the GT job.
The acc coastal is weaker than the sec east as well...
Nutt was 75-48 over all 42-38 in conference 2-4 in bowls.
So no I wouldn't say Johnson has met the expectations based on his offense having talented players when he took the GT job.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 9:50 pm to DaleDenton
I don't know about "more talented players." He's been pretty bad in recruiting at GT in a state that churns out a shite ton of highly ranked prospects. Academics play a role in that, but he still should be much better than top 50 annually when his school is located in Atlanta. Despite that, he's been decent. He's had a couple great seasons, some decent seasons, and a couple of bad seasons. His recruiting and system prevent him from doing much better.
ETA: "more talented players" in relation to Navy but not his ACC counterparts.
ETA: "more talented players" in relation to Navy but not his ACC counterparts.
This post was edited on 6/17/17 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 6/17/17 at 10:02 pm to Arkansasrazorback
Navy has tougher requirements than GT as far as their student athletes in relation to their regular students than GT. Don't kid yourself into thinking GT won't bend in order for talent to qualify to be enrolled there, they have in the past and will continue to do so in the future.
The point is still the same, Gus came to the college ranks with the reputation as being a QB guru, the reality is Mustain's mom payed for his development during the summer via one on one training with coaches such as David Lee. Malazahn's system relies on having a superior athlete at the QB position which he has been unable to develop or properly evaluate coming from the HS ranks.
Mullen has proven to be a better coach as he's consistently been able to evaluate and sign players at the position to make his offense work he is actually able to recruit to Ms. State.
Bottom line is the read option will fizzle out just like the wishbone did, Arkansas doesn't need to jump on the bandwagon at the tail end of the fad like they did with Crowe's flexbone.
The point is still the same, Gus came to the college ranks with the reputation as being a QB guru, the reality is Mustain's mom payed for his development during the summer via one on one training with coaches such as David Lee. Malazahn's system relies on having a superior athlete at the QB position which he has been unable to develop or properly evaluate coming from the HS ranks.
Mullen has proven to be a better coach as he's consistently been able to evaluate and sign players at the position to make his offense work he is actually able to recruit to Ms. State.
Bottom line is the read option will fizzle out just like the wishbone did, Arkansas doesn't need to jump on the bandwagon at the tail end of the fad like they did with Crowe's flexbone.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 10:18 pm to DaleDenton
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Malazahn's system relies on having a superior athlete at the QB position which he has been unable to develop or properly evaluate coming from the HS ranks.
Mullen has proven to be a better coach as he's consistently been able to evaluate and sign players at the position to make his offense work he is actually able to recruit to Ms. State.
I completely agree. I said the exact same thing earlier in the thread. As far as GT bending academic standards, I agree as well. It's why I said their top 50 recruiting classes fall short of their potential.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 10:29 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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Evaluating a coach's h2h record against another coach is a horrible metric
Agreed.
If you go by their h2h record then Nutt and Petrino are equal seeing that Nutt went 2-2 against us when he was at Ole Miss. Petrino also barely beat Nutt's horrible 2-10 team.
Bielema is 1-0 vs. Nutt despite having the best backfield in Razorback history.
Bielema is 1-0 vs. Charlie Strong and there are some fans out there who would love to have him as head coach.
All of these statements prove that h2h is a HORRIBLE metric.
The fact is this - Whenever Bielema is gone we need to go get a young, energetic, top notch recruiter, without baggage..... please. That can't be too much to ask.
Posted on 6/17/17 at 11:10 pm to hilltophog
It's the worst metric imaginable. Hugh Freeze beat Nick Saban twice. He beat Bama two years in a row. Freeze also is about to put his program under crippling sanctions and still remain the coach which is a mystery to me. Bert is better in that regard no question. At least when he fails, Arkansas won't have to worry about scholarship reductions or a dark cloud of NCAA misbehavior surrounding the program.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 8:34 am to DaleDenton
quote:people have been saying this for over 10 years now. The read option started in the early 2000s with rich rod and kelly. As long as Mullen and malzahn are c0a Hong it's going to be run and every school in tecas runs it. Bama just started running it a few years ago and with the qbs they've recruited they don't plan on stopping any time soon. As long as there's spread offenses they will be running the read option. You sound like an idiot
Bottom line is the read option will fizzle out
Posted on 6/18/17 at 9:22 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Bama ran the wishbone during the height of that offense too, teams still run the wishbone today in HS and College.
Your logic may have some validity if Bert's problem has been the offense and production from the offense instead of the defense and special teams as has been the case.
You still haven't shown how Gus would improve upon his 7-8 win average at Auburn at Arkansas with less talent which is what he would have to do to be an improvement over Bert.
Your logic may have some validity if Bert's problem has been the offense and production from the offense instead of the defense and special teams as has been the case.
You still haven't shown how Gus would improve upon his 7-8 win average at Auburn at Arkansas with less talent which is what he would have to do to be an improvement over Bert.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 9:31 am to DaleDenton
I don't fricking want gus moron! Read the damn thread and you'd know that! But saying spread offenses are gonna go away is asinine
This post was edited on 6/18/17 at 9:32 am
Posted on 6/18/17 at 9:37 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
That isn't what I said.
Learn how to read and comprehend.
Learn how to read and comprehend.
Posted on 6/18/17 at 9:40 am to DaleDenton
quote:then wht did you tell me tbis
That isn't what I said
quote:obvioisly if i dont want the looney tune why do i care if he would do better at Arkansas or not. Again..moron troll better next time jackass
You still haven't shown how Gus would improve upon his 7-8 win average at Auburn at Arkansas with less talent which is what he would have to do to be an improvement over Bert.
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