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Why Can't Arkansas Basketball Recruit at an Elite Level?

Posted on 11/18/15 at 6:09 pm
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 11/18/15 at 6:09 pm
This had always baffled me. We have at worst the third best tradition in the SEC (I'd say second). We have one of the ten best arenas/atmospheres in the country. We have actual fan support and passion unlike the other 90% of the league. We now have elite facilities and we have a decent human being as our coach. So why do schools with far less going for them consistently have better recruiting than Arkansas? There is no way we shouldn't have top 10-15 talent every year. Are we not cheating enough? Is our system holding elite players from coming here thinking it's not going to get them to the NBA?
Posted by Killean
Port Charlotte, FL
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/18/15 at 6:12 pm to
It pretty much has everything to do with the AAU circuit and how the recruiting game is played.
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
22714 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 6:13 pm to
So I guess all the stories of corruption and pimping out kids at the AAU level is true?
Posted by Hawgeye
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Member since Jun 2009
30918 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 6:15 pm to
Mike has a pretty darn good haul this season. Three of the top 5 JUCO players have signed.

I mean, I think that is damn solid. We only got two years out of Portis anyway, so you likely only get a max of two years in a solid blue chipper.

I like the JUCO signings this year and think we will be a tough out next year.

Programs are more than one single player. People thought the same thing about Archie Goodwin a few years back.
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
22714 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 6:19 pm to
I'm not just talking about Monk...Allen going to Florida was just bizarre
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42348 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 6:45 pm to
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So I guess all the stories of corruption and pimping out kids at the AAU level is true?


Yes.

Has been since the early 90s.

Its has only gotten worse.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42348 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 6:48 pm to
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I'm not just talking about Monk...Allen going to Florida was just bizarre


It wasn't bizarre, Mike wanted Whitt over Allen, and got him.

There is a reason why Mike didn't go after BJ Young while he was at Mizzou.

As far as Elite, you are going to have to define what you mean by Elite, this staff has brought in top rated players in every class, the talent level has steadily been elevated.

If you mean one and dones as elite, there is only one team in the country who depends on them to make up their roster every year.
Posted by Pigfeet
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Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 11/18/15 at 6:58 pm to
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Has been since the early 90s.



Even prior to that, Dale. I remember when Corliss was in the 9th grade and Coach Rip and Crawford had him on the Wings, the same shoe company rep would walk in to Parkview with certain Univ coaches almost every weekend. It was crazy how much attention he got as a 9th grader.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42348 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 7:04 pm to
It did take off with the shoe companies in the late 80s.

The 90s is when the coaches became more involved.

Crawford has been notorious for trying to steer his players to others than Arkansas, he and Nolan got into it after Corliss because Crawford felt/feels the University owes him for getting his players. Nolan would not take his mid major players as a way of saying "thanks for Corliss" as a result he's spent all his power to make things difficult for Arkansas HCs who won't play his game.

A few HS coaches have been just as bad.

It isn't a problem just in Arkansas, it is how the game is played, these coaches care more about being able to say "I got x number major scholarships" mainly because they know they have no claim for the credit in the players development.

Pel tried playing his game as a result he got "2 years max before the NBA" Mick.
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 7:06 pm
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71198 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 7:08 pm to
There are schools in far worse situations. How would you like to be an Illinois fan and see all the state talent leave? I don't disagree with you though, with fans, history, facilities and NWA being a nice place it does suck.
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 7:08 pm to
George Raveling and Sonny Vaccaro fricked a lot of things up that are now beyond repair.
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
22714 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 7:47 pm to
By elite I mean top 10 type classes every year. You may have one or two 1-and-done kids but not the whole team by any means. Look what North Carolina and Kansas have done over the last few years. The whole class is basically all 4 star guys and maybe a 1-and-done in every class. But those 4 star guys are usually staying at least 2 years. I guess what I'm trying to say is let's get 4 Jimmy Whitt types every year and slay the Kentucky dragon in those guys second or third years.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42348 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 7:53 pm to
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By elite I mean top 10 type classes every year.


Quantity greatly skews the basketball recrootin rankins.

Pel signed multiple top 10 classes to go for the worst period since before Sutton.
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
22714 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 7:55 pm to
Well I guess the old adage is true then quality not quantity... My God you just brought back memories of the illustrious Pelphrey era.
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 7:57 pm
Posted by hawgndodge
Member since Jun 2009
4736 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 7:58 pm to
Exactly.

Watch Sole Man on Netflix. It's eye opening.
Posted by CauleyHog
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since Nov 2012
4618 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 8:03 pm to
College basketball is just not as fun as it was when players had to stay in college for at least three years. TBH I understand the rule being taken away, but for selfish seasonings I wish they would put the rule back in practice. It would promote a higher standard of education for our athletesand make the game more competitive.
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 8:10 pm
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42348 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 8:06 pm to
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Well I guess the old adage is true then quality not quantity...


Fit in the program is very important too.

Not every talented player is wanted by every staff, some are not wanted for the baggage and entourage that surrounds them...
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
42348 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 8:09 pm to
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College basketball is just not as fun as it was when players had to stay in college for at least three years. TBH I understand the rule being taken away, but for selfish seasonings I wish they would put the rule back in practice.


It was never a rule.

The difference was back then only the guys truly good enough to make the jump like Moses Malone and KG attempted to make the jump.

The reason was because the league wasn't drafting based on potential, they were drafting on needs as the skill level was much higher, the demand for basketball IQ higher, etc. The league veteran would have easily earned the roster spot over the 19 year old with potential.
Posted by CauleyHog
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since Nov 2012
4618 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 8:12 pm to
Well that might just be why I don't enjoy the NBA as much now as when I was a kid.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
27318 posts
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:28 pm to
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It pretty much has everything to do with the AAU circuit and how the recruiting game is played.

This. If you don't cheat and play the game, you lose recruits. That being said, there are plenty of good, ethical players out there to be had.

It's not sour grapes. Calipari is a notorious cheat. He's been in trouble every where he's been at. We can either cheat or eat their shite. It's that simple.
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