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We need to reboot our Strength & Conditioning program
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:04 pm
I've said this before, but Herbert is a weak link on our coaching staff that is being overshadowed by the suckage of Smith, Segrest and Anderson.
We're going on three years now in which we look slow, unathletic, and legitimately weak, especially in the trenches and specifically on the offensive line. We can't run the ball. We get pushed around on both sides of the line. We're not physical. We don't have even a semblance of speed at any position. I don't know the nuances of Herbert's Big Ten-ish "every day is leg day" program, but suffice it to say that it's not working here (special shout out to those one-legged squats that probably played a part in Jonathan Williams' foot injury).
The "freaks come out" and "body by Herb" stuff is pretty much a complete farce at this point. Excepting 2013, this 2016 team looked physically weaker on both sides of the ball than any we've trotted out in a decade. We can keep cycling through different recruiting classes, but I'm not at all confident in our current S&C program to make any strides with regard to developing speed or strength, which doesn't and hasn't boded well for our redshirt program.
We're going on three years now in which we look slow, unathletic, and legitimately weak, especially in the trenches and specifically on the offensive line. We can't run the ball. We get pushed around on both sides of the line. We're not physical. We don't have even a semblance of speed at any position. I don't know the nuances of Herbert's Big Ten-ish "every day is leg day" program, but suffice it to say that it's not working here (special shout out to those one-legged squats that probably played a part in Jonathan Williams' foot injury).
The "freaks come out" and "body by Herb" stuff is pretty much a complete farce at this point. Excepting 2013, this 2016 team looked physically weaker on both sides of the ball than any we've trotted out in a decade. We can keep cycling through different recruiting classes, but I'm not at all confident in our current S&C program to make any strides with regard to developing speed or strength, which doesn't and hasn't boded well for our redshirt program.
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 11:44 pm to Feral
I still to this day do not get the one legged squat hurt his foot arguement.
Are we even sure it was the same foot as the video. Did he ever do any other one legged squats?
Are we even sure it was the same foot as the video. Did he ever do any other one legged squats?
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 1/3/17 at 7:04 am to russellvillehog
I don't understand the "single leg squat = foot injury" thing either.
Unless you're dropping a weight on your foot somehow. Don't see how that happens either.
Unless you're dropping a weight on your foot somehow. Don't see how that happens either.
This post was edited on 1/3/17 at 7:05 am
Posted on 1/3/17 at 7:32 am to Hog on the Hill
I could see it with the additional pressure of lifting being supported by only one foot.
Regardless I am not sure how effective a technique it is compared to regular squats which seem to offer much greater stability.
One thing I am fairly certain on and I agree with the OP about, what ever we are doing in the weight room and with our fitness programs isn't translating very well on the field right now. The team seemed dead on their feet in the 4th quarter of a lot of games this year.
Regardless I am not sure how effective a technique it is compared to regular squats which seem to offer much greater stability.
One thing I am fairly certain on and I agree with the OP about, what ever we are doing in the weight room and with our fitness programs isn't translating very well on the field right now. The team seemed dead on their feet in the 4th quarter of a lot of games this year.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 7:32 am to russellvillehog
The Bulgarian Split Squat doesn't lead to foot injury. Also: JWill did those, I believe, because he has a back issue that prevents the heavy loads necessary for gains on regular squats. I know a few people who have to do split squats for that reason.
That being said: I'm a huge fan of the philosophy of Herb and his methods as to general fitness, but I agree that it's not translating to performance on the football field.
That being said: I'm a huge fan of the philosophy of Herb and his methods as to general fitness, but I agree that it's not translating to performance on the football field.
This post was edited on 1/3/17 at 7:34 am
Posted on 1/3/17 at 8:12 am to Feral
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We're going on three years now in which we look slow, unathletic, and legitimately weak, especially in the trenches and specifically on the offensive line.
troof
Posted on 1/3/17 at 8:46 am to Feral
If we keep our current program though we might be able to slow agim down enough to actually play our defensive end position.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 8:51 am to Arksulli
quote:Yeah but you're not going to use the same weight you'd use for a typical barbell back squat with just one leg. That's not even possible, by virtue of using only one leg and having to stabilize your knee and hips to balance yourself in a way that you don't have to do with two legs. That keeps the weight much lower than what your feet usually have to handle.
I could see it with the additional pressure of lifting being supported by only one foot.
And besides, if there's a weak point in your body during a squat, it's not going to be your feet. You'll fail well before you hurt your foot.
This post was edited on 1/3/17 at 8:52 am
Posted on 1/3/17 at 8:53 am to Feral
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We're going on three years now in which we look slow, unathletic, and legitimately weak, especially in the trenches and specifically on the offensive line.
I don't know about the past three years but it was certainly an issue this year.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 10:10 am to rockiee
It was pretty apparent last year in the early games. Both Toledo and Texas Tech owned the line of scrimmage, and that should never happen. Our offensive line couldn't get a push whatever against Toledo, and our defensive line couldn't generate a pass rush against Tech.
It was reminiscent of Kobe Bryant's criticism of Shaquille O'Neal's alleged mentality of "playing himself into shape" every year when they were with the Lakers.
It was reminiscent of Kobe Bryant's criticism of Shaquille O'Neal's alleged mentality of "playing himself into shape" every year when they were with the Lakers.
This post was edited on 1/3/17 at 10:12 am
Posted on 1/3/17 at 10:14 am to russellvillehog
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I still to this day do not get the one legged squat hurt his foot arguement. Are we even sure it was the same foot as the video. Did he ever do any other one legged squats?
Really? That's what you got out of my post?
There's a ton of legitimate concerns lined out about our S&C program and you burn the calories on a tongue in cheek remark about the one-legged squats?
Posted on 1/3/17 at 10:15 am to Feral
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It was pretty apparent last year in the early games. Both Toledo and Texas Tech owned the line of scrimmage, and that should never happen. Our offensive line couldn't get a push whatever against Toledo, and our defensive line couldn't generate a pass rush against Tech.
Good point but it got much better as the season progressed. We were terrible on Dline for pretty much the entire year except a couple of games. The Oline even improved to a certain extend as the season continued, still not good enough though. Even when we had bad secondary play last year, we were still fairly good against the run. This past year has been so bad in that regard.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 12:23 pm to Feral
I mean clearly it was the only part I disagreed with since that was my only post.
Also just so everyone knows in this year's SEC anonymous a coach said we have the best, or one of the best, S&C coaches.
So one of our opponents is doing one of the following. They must be pulling a psyops, believes what they say, or is completely incompetent.
Also just so everyone knows in this year's SEC anonymous a coach said we have the best, or one of the best, S&C coaches.
So one of our opponents is doing one of the following. They must be pulling a psyops, believes what they say, or is completely incompetent.
This post was edited on 1/3/17 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:29 pm to russellvillehog
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Also just so everyone knows in this year's SEC anonymous a coach said we have the best, or one of the best, S&C coaches.
So one of our opponents is doing one of the following. They must be pulling a psyops, believes what they say, or is completely incompetent.
Given the fact that the overall quality of coaching in the SEC is the lowest it's been since 2004, I'll go with #3.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:39 pm to Arksulli
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One thing I am fairly certain on and I agree with the OP about, what ever we are doing in the weight room and with our fitness programs isn't translating very well on the field right now. The team seemed dead on their feet in the 4th quarter of a lot of games this year.
Agree 100% with the bolded text, and I hate that I left that out in the OP.
The hallmark of an effective strength and conditioning program is a team's quality of play in the second half, more specifically the 4th quarter. The fact that we were outscored in the second half in 8 (!) of our games and were held scoreless in the 4th quarter in 4 of them speaks volumes about Herbert and our S&C program.
Hell, Bama's offseason strength and conditioning program is literally called "The 4th Quarter Program." We're not going to be Bama, but I'd also rather us not be Vanderbilt in terms of offensive and defensive performance late in games.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 1:53 pm to Feral
Personally, I'd love to be Vandy's defense.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 6:25 pm to russellvillehog
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Also just so everyone knows in this year's SEC anonymous a coach said we have the best, or one of the best, S&C coaches.
It was probably butch jones
Posted on 1/3/17 at 8:38 pm to oklahogjr
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It was probably butch jones
Tennessee was my first thought as well when I saw them.
They're the only truly soft team we played last year who just couldn't match up with us physically (my other thought was Mizzou but Odom wasn't there last year)
Posted on 1/4/17 at 9:22 am to Feral
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The fact that we were outscored in the second half in 8 (!) of our games and were held scoreless in the 4th quarter in 4 of them speaks volumes about Herbert and our S&C program.
I believe we have been outscored in the 4th Q under beer by 110 points.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:16 pm to Feral
Herbert is another one of Bert's buddies so he's here while Bert is here.
Body by Herb sure isn't living up to its hype.
Body by Herb sure isn't living up to its hype.
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