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The problem with "big time" hires
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:32 pm
How many national championship coaches were established names before winning the title?
We're going to look at coaches who won the title.. and examine whether or not they won 10 or more games at a power 5 school immediately prior to their new job.
So, here we go:
Nick Saban: Did not win 10 games at Michigan State prior to going to LSU. Spent 2 years in the NFL prior to going to Alabama. He is the best example of a big time hire.. but he didn't go straight from one school where he won 10 games to another.
Urban Meyer: Won the title in his first stint as a power 5 head coach at Florida. Utah was not a power 5 school at the time being in the Mountain West. He took the Ohio State job after a year out of football. He's also "close" but the year off and Utah being a mountain west school doesn't really qualify him.
Jimbo Fisher: Florida State was his first head coaching job.
Gene Chizik: Was a losing coach at Iowa State before winning the title at Auburn
Les Miles: Never won 10 games at Oklahoma State before winning the title at LSU
Mack Brown: He qualifies. He won 10 games or more 3 times at North Carolina before winning the title at Texas.
Pete Carroll: Was an NFL coach before winning the title with USC.
Jim Tressel: Ohio State was his first power 5 head coaching job.
Larry Coker: Won the title in his first ever season as a head coach at Miami. downhill since
Bob Stoops: Won the title with Oklahoma, his first ever head coaching job.
Bobby Bowden: Never won 10 games in a season prior to Florida State, predates the idea of the power 5.
Phillip Fulmer: Only head coaching job was Tennessee
Lloyd Carr: Only head coaching job was Michigan
Tom Osborne: Only head coaching job was Nebraska
Steve Spurrier: Did not win 10 games with Duke before becoming Florida head coach.
Gene Stallings: Did not win 10 games with Texas A&M before becoming head coach at Alabama
Based on this, it seems like we should hire a coordinator with no head coaching experience. That would give us the best chance of actually winning a title.
7 of the coaches won titles in their first ever college head coaching jobs.
We're going to look at coaches who won the title.. and examine whether or not they won 10 or more games at a power 5 school immediately prior to their new job.
So, here we go:
Nick Saban: Did not win 10 games at Michigan State prior to going to LSU. Spent 2 years in the NFL prior to going to Alabama. He is the best example of a big time hire.. but he didn't go straight from one school where he won 10 games to another.
Urban Meyer: Won the title in his first stint as a power 5 head coach at Florida. Utah was not a power 5 school at the time being in the Mountain West. He took the Ohio State job after a year out of football. He's also "close" but the year off and Utah being a mountain west school doesn't really qualify him.
Jimbo Fisher: Florida State was his first head coaching job.
Gene Chizik: Was a losing coach at Iowa State before winning the title at Auburn
Les Miles: Never won 10 games at Oklahoma State before winning the title at LSU
Mack Brown: He qualifies. He won 10 games or more 3 times at North Carolina before winning the title at Texas.
Pete Carroll: Was an NFL coach before winning the title with USC.
Jim Tressel: Ohio State was his first power 5 head coaching job.
Larry Coker: Won the title in his first ever season as a head coach at Miami. downhill since
Bob Stoops: Won the title with Oklahoma, his first ever head coaching job.
Bobby Bowden: Never won 10 games in a season prior to Florida State, predates the idea of the power 5.
Phillip Fulmer: Only head coaching job was Tennessee
Lloyd Carr: Only head coaching job was Michigan
Tom Osborne: Only head coaching job was Nebraska
Steve Spurrier: Did not win 10 games with Duke before becoming Florida head coach.
Gene Stallings: Did not win 10 games with Texas A&M before becoming head coach at Alabama
Based on this, it seems like we should hire a coordinator with no head coaching experience. That would give us the best chance of actually winning a title.
7 of the coaches won titles in their first ever college head coaching jobs.
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 3:35 pm
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:38 pm to Killean
It's going to be a long off season
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:47 pm to Killean
Carr, Fulmer, Fisher, and Coker all were an extension of what was already in place.
The rest except Chizik had all proven themselves elsewhere prior to being hired for that job.
Chizik is the anomaly, but it hinged around the tainted recruitment of one player who led to his most successful season as hc.
The rest except Chizik had all proven themselves elsewhere prior to being hired for that job.
Chizik is the anomaly, but it hinged around the tainted recruitment of one player who led to his most successful season as hc.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 3:53 pm to Killean
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Based on this, it seems like we should hire a coordinator with no head coaching experience. That would give us the best chance of actually winning a title.
I don't think the best way to look at it is based on who can we get to win a National Championship. All those coaches coached at schools that are better situations to win a NC.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 4:00 pm to rockiee
Even with that considered, most on the list didn't win their first nc within 4 or 5 seasons.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 4:04 pm to DaleDenton
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Even with that considered, most on the list didn't win their first nc within 4 or 5 seasons.
That and you can make an argument that many won mainly because of the talent they assembled. Which is an important factor as a coach but I don't think that type of coach would translate well here.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 4:15 pm to Killean
The only "home run" hires in college football the past decade were Saban at Bama and Urban Meyer at Ohio State.
There is arguably a tier below them of guys who have great resumes but haven't taken that next step yet and is comprised of Harbaugh at Michigan, Peterson at Washington and Petrino at Arkansas and Louisville.
The label of "home run" hire was also attributed to guys like Rich Rodriguez at Michigan and even Bielema at Arkansas, and both of those guys flamed out (or are in the process of doing so).
There is arguably a tier below them of guys who have great resumes but haven't taken that next step yet and is comprised of Harbaugh at Michigan, Peterson at Washington and Petrino at Arkansas and Louisville.
The label of "home run" hire was also attributed to guys like Rich Rodriguez at Michigan and even Bielema at Arkansas, and both of those guys flamed out (or are in the process of doing so).
Posted on 1/2/17 at 5:01 pm to Feral
I wonder if the same trends are true with coordinators and position coaches such as OL. Recruiting prowess is so damned important. But it clearly isn't the only major driver of success
Posted on 1/2/17 at 6:57 pm to DocHog
Same deal with assistants.
Cam Cameron at LSU and Chavis at A&M were "home run" coordinator hires at the time.
Cam Cameron at LSU and Chavis at A&M were "home run" coordinator hires at the time.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:38 pm to Feral
Good point.
Guess you have to hit a sweet spot where the coach is intelligent, talented, and not burned out.
It also helps to have a coach the media thinks is cool...they'll help hype him
If we ever start winning again, Bret would be a huge star which would really help us on the national stage.
Guess you have to hit a sweet spot where the coach is intelligent, talented, and not burned out.
It also helps to have a coach the media thinks is cool...they'll help hype him
If we ever start winning again, Bret would be a huge star which would really help us on the national stage.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:45 pm to DocHog
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If we ever start winning again, Bret would be a huge star which would really help us on the national stage.
We have seen many examples of this the last couple of years. The media was just waiting to talk about Bert turning our football team around. Bert never could get it to stick though. If he starts strong again, the media will be ready to say this is the year he finally does it.
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:59 pm to rockiee
True and it should snowball into better results in recruiting etc.
On the flip side we had Petrino who they despised and Nutt who they loved for having Arkansas where they feel we deserve to be...
On the flip side we had Petrino who they despised and Nutt who they loved for having Arkansas where they feel we deserve to be...
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:01 pm to DaleDenton
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True and it should snowball into better results in recruiting etc.
Well, that is assuming we improve next year.
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