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Posted on 6/1/16 at 9:35 pm to ArHog
Posted on 6/1/16 at 9:35 pm to ArHog
Too bad other countries don't have stricter gun laws that we could look at to compare their gun violence statistics to the gun violence in the U.S.
Maybe it's a good thing for mindless liberal tree huggers like me that all the other "civilized" societies in the world have the same Wild West gun laws that we have.
If any of them had restrictions on firearms there wouldn't be any good guys with guns to kill all the bad guys with guns and their gun violence statistics would be off the charts relative to our intellectually superior methods.
And that would make me look stupid and people like troy and that other AR something guy look like they really know what they're talking about. Like they've really spent hours analyzing all the pros and cons of carrying guns in various situations and not just told what to think by some conservative blog or the NRA.
Maybe it's a good thing for mindless liberal tree huggers like me that all the other "civilized" societies in the world have the same Wild West gun laws that we have.
If any of them had restrictions on firearms there wouldn't be any good guys with guns to kill all the bad guys with guns and their gun violence statistics would be off the charts relative to our intellectually superior methods.
And that would make me look stupid and people like troy and that other AR something guy look like they really know what they're talking about. Like they've really spent hours analyzing all the pros and cons of carrying guns in various situations and not just told what to think by some conservative blog or the NRA.
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Posted on 6/1/16 at 9:42 pm to PygmalionEffect
I'm starting to see a person here or there open carrying their firearm in places you didn't use to see.
It makes me uncomfortable knowing this guy could just decide to take me out and I wouldn't be able to do shite about it if he was smart enough to draw out of arms length from me.
Soon we'll reach a tipping point where people like them will force people like me to start open carrying, more probably concealed carry, which suits my nature.
I can't see how that's really good for society. I've been accused on multiple occasions of having a short temper.
It makes me uncomfortable knowing this guy could just decide to take me out and I wouldn't be able to do shite about it if he was smart enough to draw out of arms length from me.
Soon we'll reach a tipping point where people like them will force people like me to start open carrying, more probably concealed carry, which suits my nature.
I can't see how that's really good for society. I've been accused on multiple occasions of having a short temper.
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 6/1/16 at 10:34 pm to PygmalionEffect
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Too bad other countries don't have stricter gun laws that we could look at to compare their gun violence statistics to the gun violence in the U.S.
You mean one of those countries we keep hearing about, that are having their women raped at an alarming rate, with their governments doing more to hide the problem than fix it? One of those countries that don't have a Constitution or Bill of Rights that limits their government, and enumerates the rights they have as citizens and human beings? One of those countries that twice required the services of the United States, and Americans to defend their very sovereignty, when a madman came along and decided to take their countries for his own? Or one of those countries that a portion of our taxes go to, in order to provide defense and security for?
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Maybe it's a good thing for mindless liberal tree huggers like me that all the other "civilized" societies in the world have the same Wild West gun laws that we have.
Have you ever stopped and wondered what all those violence statistics would look like if we subtracted all the places where mindless liberal tree huggers like yourself have set the rules for generations?
The information is out there, you won't like what you find, if you make the effort. Somehow, I don't think you will. I think you're more about spewing debunked liberal gun control bullshite, fed to you by people who only believe in supporting the freedoms in the Constitution that they like, many of whom walk the planet under armed guard, and send their kids to schools protected by armed guards.
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 6/1/16 at 10:46 pm to troyt37
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You mean one of those countries we keep hearing about, that are having their women raped at an alarming rate, with their governments doing more to hide the problem than fix it?
No, I was thinking more along the lines of those countries that have a lot lower crime rate than we have, particularly a lower violent crime rate.
Just to clue you in, since you obviously need help.
I learned how to shoot a gun at about the same time I learned to ride a bike. I spend approximately 5 months of the year in the woods hunting everything that walks or crawls or flies.
You wouldn't have seen John Wayne feeling like he needed to open carry to go into Walmart.
This push for open carry and concealed carry is being pushed by a bunch of lower intelligence people who seem to harbor more irrational fear than the average American.
This post was edited on 6/1/16 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 6/1/16 at 10:59 pm to PygmalionEffect
Odd, I often feel the same way about lower intelligence people who expect to be able to exercise their First Amendment rights.
Posted on 6/1/16 at 11:05 pm to troyt37
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Odd, I often feel the same way about lower intelligence people who expect to be able to exercise their First Amendment rights.
Minimum I.Q. score in order to vote.
Bring it on. Should eliminate 60% of the redneck hicks I went to school with who don't have critical thinking skills, but of course think they do, because they don't have critical thinking skills.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 6:13 am to PygmalionEffect
Oh yeah. Let vengeanceofrain, smackoverhawg, pigfeet an few others of you I'm missing carry on campus.
I'd feel safe for sure
I'd feel safe for sure
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:16 am to hoginthesw
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Oh yeah. Let vengeanceofrain, smackoverhawg, pigfeet an few others of you I'm missing carry on campus.
I'd feel safe for sure
Been a CCW for over 20 years, but I guess you would rather have 911 instead of a CCW, if someone was about to violently harm you or your family.
One prevents the violence, the other investigates the violence.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 3:22 pm to Pigfeet
About a decade ago I did a piece on a student that was campaigning for open carry on campuses.
During the interview he admitted to me that he had previously been under a therapist's care for trauma induced by an abusive parent.
Right then and there I became against open carry on college campuses. I'm very against teachers having guns in their classes. I remember how much shite we gave teachers and how much we screwed with them. Under no circumstance do I want a firearm to be accessible to middle school and high school students in the classroom or halls of any school. Especially in the lower performing schools where there's less parenting and more crime in the neighborhoods.
There's too many variables and too many opportunities for an irrational or emotional person to get their hands on a weapon for my liking. Campus police for universities and school resource officers for secondary schools is enough. I only want fully trained, fully capable people to have firearms on school campuses.
Face it, if you have open carry on college campuses some schools like Auburn, Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, USC, Baylor, A&M, Colorado, Washington, FSU, Clemson, Miami etc will have a football player killed on campus during an attempted robbery, assault or rape. That'll be the nail in the coffin for college sports as we know it.
During the interview he admitted to me that he had previously been under a therapist's care for trauma induced by an abusive parent.
Right then and there I became against open carry on college campuses. I'm very against teachers having guns in their classes. I remember how much shite we gave teachers and how much we screwed with them. Under no circumstance do I want a firearm to be accessible to middle school and high school students in the classroom or halls of any school. Especially in the lower performing schools where there's less parenting and more crime in the neighborhoods.
There's too many variables and too many opportunities for an irrational or emotional person to get their hands on a weapon for my liking. Campus police for universities and school resource officers for secondary schools is enough. I only want fully trained, fully capable people to have firearms on school campuses.
Face it, if you have open carry on college campuses some schools like Auburn, Alabama, LSU, Ole Miss, USC, Baylor, A&M, Colorado, Washington, FSU, Clemson, Miami etc will have a football player killed on campus during an attempted robbery, assault or rape. That'll be the nail in the coffin for college sports as we know it.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 7:18 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
I don't particularly relish the thought of a bunch of immature, irresponsible, likely drunk or stoned kids waving guns around. But that isn't necessarily what we are talking about. The anti gun hyperbole crowd project irrational fear among many other imaginary psychological maladies upon those who wish to carry weapons to defend themselves and others. The truth is, the overwhelming majority of those who wish to carry a weapon are salt of the earth types, who had to make a concerted effort in order to be able to exercise that right.
I have no problem with disallowing open carry for every swinging dick on a college campus. I have a very real problem with denying everyone's Constitutional rights in a broad brush, zero tolerance fashion, under the guise that it is inherently safer that way when it is demonstrably not the case.
It is patently unconstitutional to remove a persons ability to defend themselves or their loved ones by force of law or government fiat. Where you happen to be located on the planet has no bearing on the amount of danger a person may be in, as we have tragically been made aware throughout history.
Creating feel good gun free zones has done nothing but make the sickest among us cognizant of the fact that wielding a weapon in one of these feel good zones most likely gives them the power and freedom to do whatever they desire for anywhere from 2 to 30 minutes. How can it not be more safe for them to know that they are very likely to pay the ultimate price before they have the chance to achieve whatever sick goals they had in mind?
I have no problem with disallowing open carry for every swinging dick on a college campus. I have a very real problem with denying everyone's Constitutional rights in a broad brush, zero tolerance fashion, under the guise that it is inherently safer that way when it is demonstrably not the case.
It is patently unconstitutional to remove a persons ability to defend themselves or their loved ones by force of law or government fiat. Where you happen to be located on the planet has no bearing on the amount of danger a person may be in, as we have tragically been made aware throughout history.
Creating feel good gun free zones has done nothing but make the sickest among us cognizant of the fact that wielding a weapon in one of these feel good zones most likely gives them the power and freedom to do whatever they desire for anywhere from 2 to 30 minutes. How can it not be more safe for them to know that they are very likely to pay the ultimate price before they have the chance to achieve whatever sick goals they had in mind?
Posted on 6/2/16 at 7:41 pm to troyt37
I don't think you understand law.
You under NO circumstances have an absolute legal right to defend your life. None, Zero, Zip, Zilch, Nada.
There is not and has never been a single nation in the world where you have that right.
If you did have that right, I could go around all day killing smokers lol.
Now, Statistically speaking, owning a gun makes you less safe. You're twice as likely to die to your own gun as you are to someone else's.
Top 15 causes of death..
1. Heart Disease
2. Cancer
3. Lower respiratory diseases;
4. Stroke and related cerebrovascular diseases;
5. Accidents (unintentional injuries);
6. Alzheimer's disease;
7. Diabetes;
8. Kidney diseases;
9. Influenza and pneumonia;
10. Suicide;
11. Septicemia;
12. Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis;
13. Hypertension and related renal disease;
14. Parkinson's disease; and
15. Pneumonitis due to solids and liquids.
Murder doesn't quite make the list.. and not all murders are with guns :P
Frankly you should be a LOT more fricking worried about cigarettes, liquor and donuts than guns.
You under NO circumstances have an absolute legal right to defend your life. None, Zero, Zip, Zilch, Nada.
There is not and has never been a single nation in the world where you have that right.
If you did have that right, I could go around all day killing smokers lol.
Now, Statistically speaking, owning a gun makes you less safe. You're twice as likely to die to your own gun as you are to someone else's.
Top 15 causes of death..
1. Heart Disease
2. Cancer
3. Lower respiratory diseases;
4. Stroke and related cerebrovascular diseases;
5. Accidents (unintentional injuries);
6. Alzheimer's disease;
7. Diabetes;
8. Kidney diseases;
9. Influenza and pneumonia;
10. Suicide;
11. Septicemia;
12. Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis;
13. Hypertension and related renal disease;
14. Parkinson's disease; and
15. Pneumonitis due to solids and liquids.
Murder doesn't quite make the list.. and not all murders are with guns :P
Frankly you should be a LOT more fricking worried about cigarettes, liquor and donuts than guns.
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:25 pm to Killean
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You under NO circumstances have an absolute legal right to defend your life. None, Zero, Zip, Zilch, Nada. There is not and has never been a single nation in the world where you have that right.
LOL. Okay. Hundreds of years of court cases, and cases that never even made it to court say you're not only wrong, but dead wrong. You really shouldn't be telling anyone what you think they don't understand.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:35 pm to troyt37
I don't think you know what the frick you're talking about.
If a nation has a death penalty.. there's no absolute right to defend your life. You don't have the right steal if you're starving, you don't have the right to medical care you can't afford. You don't have the right to kill to defend your own life except in extremely narrow circumstances.
I won't even begin to get into the differences in laws such as stand your ground, duty to retreat etc.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:40 pm to Killean
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Frankly you should be a LOT more fricking worried about cigarettes, liquor and Tyson and other commercial foods than guns.
FIFY
Food kills more than anything on Earffff
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:45 pm to Killean
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I don't think you know what the frick you're talking about.
Pot calling the kettle black, kiddo.
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there's no absolute right to defend your life.
Every person has the right to do whatever the frick they want, you just may suffer from laws that another Human has imposed on other humans.
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differences in laws
Man made laws to suit a purpose
....such a follower
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:00 pm to Killean
Not sure what world you live in, but think what you wish, I guess. Sure are a lot of folks in cemeteries with their killers walking around free, because they endangered their lives.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:14 pm to troyt37
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Not sure what world you live in, but think what you wish, I guess.
He's the kid that will threaten a criminal with "I'm dialing 911" if you shoot me and my family.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 11:15 am to Pigfeet
My thoughts:
1.Why would anyone open carry? You lose all tactical advantage.
2. We have become a society of pussies. Peoples' need to carry guns only enforce that. Learn how to use your hands.
3. The good guy with a guy theory is dumb. Is that good guy a trained professional? Will he be accountable for his actions like a Police officer would? Not likely
4. America is slowly falling behind all major countries in many categories and guns are no exception. We need some type of reform.
Don't get me wrong I support gun ownership. However, it seems as though mental insatiability is rising in this country.
I personally think the internet, social media, media outlets and the failing school system has been detrimental in regards to critical thinking skills used by our society. Media attention has only fed the notion of becoming famous by being controversial or going to shoot up a school and it has reached a dangerous peak.
1.Why would anyone open carry? You lose all tactical advantage.
2. We have become a society of pussies. Peoples' need to carry guns only enforce that. Learn how to use your hands.
3. The good guy with a guy theory is dumb. Is that good guy a trained professional? Will he be accountable for his actions like a Police officer would? Not likely
4. America is slowly falling behind all major countries in many categories and guns are no exception. We need some type of reform.
Don't get me wrong I support gun ownership. However, it seems as though mental insatiability is rising in this country.
I personally think the internet, social media, media outlets and the failing school system has been detrimental in regards to critical thinking skills used by our society. Media attention has only fed the notion of becoming famous by being controversial or going to shoot up a school and it has reached a dangerous peak.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:33 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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1.Why would anyone open carry? You lose all tactical advantage.
Agree. I guess there would be times when you would want it known that there is armed security present, but really it just makes you a target if something is going down.
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2. We have become a society of pussies. Peoples' need to carry guns only enforce that. Learn how to use your hands.
Disagree. Ever heard the expression never bring a knife to a gun fight? There is a reason for that. I'm not interested in a fair fight with someone intent on harming myself or my family. I'm only interested in eliminating the threat as quickly as possible.
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3. The good guy with a guy theory is dumb. Is that good guy a trained professional? Will he be accountable for his actions like a Police officer would? Not likely
You are ignoring the obvious. Will the trained professional or police officer be there the instant you or your loved ones life is in danger? Arriving afterward, to put the body in a bag and mop up the gore is not an acceptable outcome for me or my family.
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4. America is slowly falling behind all major countries in many categories and guns are no exception. We need some type of reform.
Creating more laws that only the law abiding will follow isn't reform, it's insanity. One has to look no further than prohibition or the current illicit drug situation to know that passing laws making weapons illegal or harder to get will do nothing to improve the situation in reality. The worst places in the country for gun violence are the places that have all the restrictive laws that advocates want for the rest of the country. That fact alone should tell people something, but it doesn't.
Posted on 6/3/16 at 12:55 pm to troyt37
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One has to look no further than prohibition or the current illicit drug situation to know that passing laws making weapons illegal or harder to get will do nothing to improve the situation in reality.
This isn't an apples to apples comparison at all. Are you really trying to compare having a drink or smoking some weed to obtaining an illegal gun?
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The worst places in the country for gun violence are the places that have all the restrictive laws that advocates want for the rest of the country. That fact alone should tell people something, but it doesn't.
This is a broad statement using cherry picked stats. Let's take Chicago for instance. They have some of the strictest gun laws in the country. Although it’s hard to get a gun in Chicago, it’s much easier to get one in the city’s immediate vicinity kind of like the liquor stores set up outside of Jonesboro.
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