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re: Stadium expansion approved by BOT

Posted on 6/17/16 at 12:46 pm to
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 12:46 pm to
Welcome to every major sporting event in the country.
Posted by Porker Face
Eden Isle
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 12:49 pm to
Exactly. $60 isn't shite. Which was my original hypothesis
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 1:07 pm to
Do you have a negative comment quota you have to meet per day?

I think you've ran the course on the 60.00 thing now.

Some people might appreciate the savings some may not- time will tell. Get over it, bitch.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 5:26 pm to
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But seriously, our state needs to have a conversation about how poorly compensated our faculty are


I agree. I looked at a postilion they had open because I was thinking of moving to the area. The salaries were ridiculously low.
Posted by Porker Face
Eden Isle
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 8:25 pm to
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time will tell.


True. Of course, this is a message board for discussion and predictions, etc. Time will also tell how many fb games we win, who will be president and everything else. There really is no point in you reading a message board if you don't care to discuss possible future outcomes or talk about things theoretically. If all you want is facts, sit down and read an encyclopedia. Of course there is opinion. And where there are opinions, there will be disagreement

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Get over it, bitch. 


I'm discussing things on a message board. Which is the point of this website. If you don't like it, start your own threads, RA or leave. I don't care. But being a candy arse sensitive pussy isn't really a benefit to anyone

I'm sorry if I'm not ready to rubber stamp everything our athletics department does like all y'all. Of course, a former CEO of Tyson and former US Senator are also raising questions, so I feel like there are some valid discussions to be had here among rational people. That is apparently not welcome here. Blind homerism, arse kissing and name calling define our now shitty board. I don't mind calling that like I see it just like everything else
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 9:16 pm to
Personally, I think it's more concerning that a Tyson and a former Senator are trying to use a not exactly truthful reason for not supporting this. It makes me wonder what their motivation is long term. What do they have to gain by it passing/not passing? That should be the real story here.
Posted by Porker Face
Eden Isle
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 10:21 pm to
I take them at their word that they legitimately have those concerns. I understand the point of view that UAs priorities are wrong. I personally also think they are wrong. I don't see any bond measures offered for academics or facilities. Were those offered I don't think they would enjoy the same support as this measure. I do see Athletics continuing to suck up our campus space with athlete only facilities that don't really advance the university's mission

I also think they are 100% correct on the stadium only being full a handful of times. I don't care about the "shifting the balance of luxury suites vs cheap seats" stuff. It's a lot of money for limited new value. I think this is just a bad deal. There are some ideas I think we should implement, but this deal doesn't have enough of them for me
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 10:24 pm to
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I take them at their word that they legitimately have those concerns.


I would advise never taking a politician at their word just because they're a politician. One of the BOT actually voted no yesterday because this wouldn't lower the cost of tuition. You can't be more clueless than that excuse.


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I don't see any bond measures offered for academics or facilities. Were those offered I don't think they would enjoy the same support as this measure.


That's not the Athletic Departments concern. It's a money making entity on campus and they aren't responsible for what the academic arm does. They shouldn't, and thankfully won't, be punished because the Enlgish department can't pay off a bond as fast.

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I do see Athletics continuing to suck up our campus space with athlete only facilities that don't really advance the university's mission


This isn't doing that.

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. I don't care about the "shifting the balance of luxury suites vs cheap seats" stuff.


To act like upper deck corner seats are the same as premium field level seats is naïve. I don't think you're naïve so I'm not really sure why you think this way.

This post was edited on 6/17/16 at 10:39 pm
Posted by Porker Face
Eden Isle
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 10:40 pm to
I'm not saying this measure is doing any of that. I understand what it is doing and what it isn't doing. I understand the funding, etc involved

What I don't understand is why every Tom, Dick and Harry razorback fan is excited about this. It largely benefits an elite few suite holders. Hell if anyone benefits, it's Johnny Tyson.

I'm not a wealthy or well connected individual. I will probably never enter those suites. If I had $200m to spend on DWRRS I would spend it elsewhere in the stadium. Unrelated, but if I had $200M to spend at UA I would spend 0 on Athletics. Facilities aren't holding us back, and I'm tired of throwing good money after bad. That's just me

I will however buy regular lower bowl tickets which will increase in cost because of this. Therefore I don't see any benefit from this proposal. I end up subsidizing rich people in loge boxes. No thanks
Posted by Porker Face
Eden Isle
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 6/17/16 at 11:01 pm to
Since IMO this benefits the donor class only, I believe the priorities are wrong. I am for improving the fan experience for Tom from Hot Springs, Dick from Dumas and Harry from Sheridan. And for students (you of a). One of the great things about college football vs NFL and one thing we used to do particularly well is cater to the average fan. I am afraid we are losing that focus

I am also concerned from a business perspective. Spending $200M requires a strong demand and an excellent case made in its favor. I see development plans in NWA all day. 4 story buildings on Emma. Dense row houses in Springdale east of Thompson. More Legacy buildings all over NWA. Crazy subdivisions in Elm Springs. Wild and crazy shite that there is just no demand for. I will admit there may be demand for the suites, etc but I don't see demand for 3000 end zone lower bowl seats. I haven't seen the north EZ > 50% full since September 2010. IMO, the case hasn't been made

Further, current revenues aren't enough to support the debt service of these bonds. They had to include an assumption for additional revenue from the new seats. So what happens if they don't sell like hot cakes? What if we have a few crappy years? What if interest in attending cfb games continues to wane for a 6th straight year in 2016? Who services this debt?
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
American dissident
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 6/19/16 at 9:32 am to
Wally just officially wrote the worst shite of his terrible career

LINK
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40883 posts
Posted on 6/19/16 at 9:35 am to
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Wally just officially wrote the worst shite of his terrible career


Which is saying a lot considering some of the stuff he's put out over the years.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
American dissident
Member since Nov 2013
35923 posts
Posted on 6/19/16 at 10:10 am to
exactly

I do understand the magnitude of my statement

the worst ever just wrote his worst ever
Posted by ArHog
Muss is a coward
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Posted on 6/19/16 at 6:51 pm to
:turrible:


Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
16968 posts
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:01 am to
Bill Vickery called Pryor out Sunday morning and said he was only doing it for financial reasons. He invited him to come and his show and dispute that if he liked.
Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40883 posts
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:49 am to
Good to hear someone in the media called him out.
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12410 posts
Posted on 6/20/16 at 10:20 am to
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Ok let's see who's right

Look up in the stadium corners at all the games and let me know how packed they are


I hate those corners and seeing them half or entirely empty on national TV.

I've always said that we don't need to increase capacity as much as we need to move it around, especially with the addition of the much-needed premium seating in the NEZ.

This will never happen, but we should simply get rid of two or three sections in each corner of the upper deck (509-511, 517-519, 506-508, 500-502). Half of those I mentioned (the 510s) are technically visitor seating and are sparsely populated even during big games.

Those seats suck and are constantly on StubHub going for a song. We'll never have an issue selling premium seating, so why not shift capacity a little?
Posted by Porker Face
Eden Isle
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 2:25 pm to
I enjoy sitting up there*

*According to my ticket I bought on stub hub for $8
Posted by Numberwang
Bike City, USA
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 2:31 pm to
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we should simply get rid of two or three sections in each corner of the upper deck (509-511, 517-519, 506-508, 500-502). Half of those I mentioned (the 510s) are technically visitor seating and are sparsely populated even during big games.


I disagree about them being "sparsely populated even during big games" because I've been to most of the big games lately. They mainly only have a lot of empties during the non-conference crap games.

Rather than remove capacity, those sections should just be cheap, like $20 per game. Advertise them as cheap and you'll sell some as season tickets.

Posted by TheCheshireHog
Cashew Chicken Country
Member since Oct 2010
40883 posts
Posted on 6/20/16 at 2:33 pm to
Didn't they just drop the price to like $25?
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