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Ok. Excluding who the next coach is or whatever.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 3:19 am
Posted on 10/20/17 at 3:19 am
So I think most of us here feel Bert is gone no matter what from here.
Regardless of coach or whatever. How long is the rebuild for this program?
I know most feel like there is talent on this team, possibly enough to start winning come next year.
My issue is with both the offensive and defensive lines. I think a spread coach with a Texas style quick passing attack could mask our shite O line. The problem is the D line is straight garbage as well. We lose bijon, and I do not have faith gooden will stay committed to us, especially through a coaching change (possibly staying if rhoads is retained?) I feel like the defense might be 2 years away from being good enough at the LOS.
I will say I do think a different coach could come in and win next year. The team will have a lot of experience across the board, with young talent that has matured. I just see this year's team on the LOS on both sides of the ball and think all of our talent is in the wrong spots to compete at a high level. I'm very conflicted on how I see the future of this team. I just know Bert is not in that future.
Regardless of coach or whatever. How long is the rebuild for this program?
I know most feel like there is talent on this team, possibly enough to start winning come next year.
My issue is with both the offensive and defensive lines. I think a spread coach with a Texas style quick passing attack could mask our shite O line. The problem is the D line is straight garbage as well. We lose bijon, and I do not have faith gooden will stay committed to us, especially through a coaching change (possibly staying if rhoads is retained?) I feel like the defense might be 2 years away from being good enough at the LOS.
I will say I do think a different coach could come in and win next year. The team will have a lot of experience across the board, with young talent that has matured. I just see this year's team on the LOS on both sides of the ball and think all of our talent is in the wrong spots to compete at a high level. I'm very conflicted on how I see the future of this team. I just know Bert is not in that future.
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Posted on 10/20/17 at 6:26 am to russellvillehog
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Regardless of coach or whatever. How long is the rebuild for this program?
I'm no Bert apologist and he definitely needs to go, but I also think this isn't going to be much of a rebuild at all. We've got young talent at QB, RB, WR, TE who are gaining valuable experience this year, and a spread coach would come in and win immediately with the right scheme to make use of our skill position talent.
The defense isn't the '85 Bears, but there's talent there as well at all levels between Agim, Ramsey, Harris, Greenlaw, Kurl and Pulley. We have some pieces for success and just need the next coach/DC to put them in a position to succeed.
Honestly, a decent coach with a spread philosophy could win 9 with this roster next year. We just have to scheme around the line issues and unfrick special teams.
Really, the only complete mess the new coach will have on his hands will be to overhaul strength & conditioning (Herb is the worst S&C coach in the conference) and fumigate the losing culture from our program and instill some mental toughness.
This post was edited on 10/20/17 at 6:43 am
Posted on 10/20/17 at 8:42 am to Feral
Yeah I honestly think the biggest problem with out defense is our offense of that makes any sense. They are on the field way too much because of how shitty our offense is. The only game they played terrible was a&m and that's just because bert still doesn't understand how to stop that offense
Posted on 10/20/17 at 8:47 am to Feral
It's a bit of a rebuild because we're absolute shite on the offensive line. That's an area that takes time.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 9:10 am to Killean
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It's a bit of a rebuild because we're absolute shite on the offensive line. That's an area that takes time.
Petrino's offensive lines, even during the last two years, were pretty bad but we were able to scheme around it to a degree. As long as you're putting your QB in a position to get the ball out quickly, you can somewhat overcome a bad line. We've actually done decently well this year when we've been in shotgun and called quick passes or gone up tempo.
Also, some (a lot) of that is on the coaching, and Anderson has done a pretty horrendous job of working to develop guys like Wallace and Merrick. We haven't even made a concerted effort to put our best five out there until Alabama, since they were toying with Clary, Ramirez and Jackson for a while.
This post was edited on 10/20/17 at 9:13 am
Posted on 10/20/17 at 10:49 am to russellvillehog
It all depends on the ability of the new coach to recruit and develop existing talent. The pieces are there for a one year turn around and the state of Arkansas seems to be poised for one of its rare good talent production at the high school level years.
A bad first year wouldn't stun me, but I think the Hogs have the potential to be quite good by year two.
A bad first year wouldn't stun me, but I think the Hogs have the potential to be quite good by year two.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 1:17 pm to Arksulli
Agreed. We've got talent at the skill positions on offense, and just have to find the right coach to maximize it (likely a spread coach).
Between Kelley, Hayden, Whaley, the WRs, the TEs, the skill players currently redshirting, and the raw talent on defense at spots, the new coach is set up to have a very good year one. We just have to ensure we're building on it and it's not lightening in a bottle like it was with Nutt.
Between Kelley, Hayden, Whaley, the WRs, the TEs, the skill players currently redshirting, and the raw talent on defense at spots, the new coach is set up to have a very good year one. We just have to ensure we're building on it and it's not lightening in a bottle like it was with Nutt.
This post was edited on 10/20/17 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 10/20/17 at 1:23 pm to Killean
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It's a bit of a rebuild because we're absolute shite on the offensive line. That's an area that takes time.
We can work around a shite offensive line with quick passes, screens, etc. I think we have the skill position players (assuming no turnover if Bret is fired) to go out there and really give some teams fits next year with the right coach.
Our secondary is going to be nasty AF and our defense showed against Bama that they can get pressure if we'll actually blitz. Could be really interesting.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 1:41 pm to russellvillehog
Hogs started the season 2-4 in 2015 (same as this year), with losses to Toledo, Texas Tech, A&M, and Alabama. We finished the season 8-5.
It's not the athletes. The problem is Bielema.
It's not the athletes. The problem is Bielema.
This post was edited on 10/20/17 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 10/20/17 at 1:59 pm to Porky
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The Hogs started the season 2-4 in 2015 (same as this year), with losses to Toledo, Texas Tech, A&M, and Alabama. We finished the season 8-5.
The problem is Bielema.
Yep. It was pretty apparent that after 3 years of "this team could/should have won 2 or 3 more games." That's bad coaching.
This post was edited on 10/20/17 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 10/20/17 at 4:14 pm to Feral
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Regardless of coach or whatever. How long is the rebuild for this program?
Remember basketball and remember where we are now? That long; maybe more. This sport has passed us by, and without developing the high school level of the game in this state, it’s gone forever.
This post was edited on 10/20/17 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 10/20/17 at 5:06 pm to Feral
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fumigate the losing culture from our program
This is more important than people realize and I've often pondered how Bert created it. I don't think he felt much pressure to win until this year and by then it was too late. Losing had already become the norm and his indifference towards it trickled down throughout the program.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 6:01 pm to Arkansasrazorback
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This is more important than people realize and I've often pondered how Bert created it. I don't think he felt much pressure to win until this year and by then it was too late. Losing had already become the norm and his indifference towards it trickled down throughout the program.
I think part of it had to do with Long telling him he was essentially expecting nothing the first two years, indicating that this was a sizeable rebuild. Obviously Long didn't intend for his coach to get complacent and lazy because of it, but that's what happened. That's how 0-8 gets explained away as a rebuilding year, and how 13 straight SEC losses - including numerous close losses in 2014 - get excused as "we're about to turn a corner."
Posted on 10/20/17 at 6:31 pm to Feral
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I think part of it had to do with Long telling him he was essentially expecting nothing the first two years, indicating that this was a sizeable rebuild. Obviously Long didn't intend for his coach to get complacent and lazy because of it, but that's what happened.
...and the 15 million dollar buyout after the 2015 season further reinforced the wrong message regarding expectations.
This post was edited on 10/20/17 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 10/20/17 at 7:14 pm to Porky
It was the 2014 season. The 6-6 year.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 7:17 pm to russellvillehog
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It was the 2014 season. The 6-6 year.
Thanks for correcting me. You are right.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 7:32 pm to Porky
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...and the 15 million dollar buyout after the 2015 season further reinforced the wrong message regarding expectations.
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It was the 2014 season. The 6-6 year.
Some of the hate Jeff Long gets is undeserved, but that contract extension when Bielema was 10-15 (2-14 in SEC play) was utterly inexcusable.
You can't say up front that the first two years are write-offs and then give a contract extension after year 2. Year 3 should have been the 'prove it' year as far as contract talks.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 7:47 pm to Feral
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Some of the hate Jeff Long gets is undeserved, but that contract extension when Bielema was 10-15 (2-14 in SEC play) was utterly inexcusable.
I heard from a BM donor that Bert's agent said pay or we walk.
Take that FWIW!
Now Jeff is backed into a corner, the UofA will have to pay Bert until Nov. 2018.
Maybe the Chancellor will step in if he only wins 4 games and they have another coach in mind.
Jeff is here through the NEZ opening, it's his baby, he ain't leaving til it's done.
Booster told me that today.
This post was edited on 10/20/17 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 10/20/17 at 7:51 pm to ArHog
Well I hope we fire that fat frick anyways. He sucks. He wont ever coach again after this. So he can walk.... away a loser.
Posted on 10/20/17 at 7:56 pm to ArHog
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I heard from a BM donor that Bert's agent said pay or we walk. Take that FWIW! Now Jeff is backed into a corner, the UofA will have to pay Bert until Nov. 2018. Maybe the Chancellor will step in if he only wins 4 games and they have another coach in mind. Jeff is here through the NEZ opening, it's his baby, he ain't leaving til it's done. Booster told me that today.
Not trying to be rude, but.. can you clarify this just a bit please? A better explanation of it please.
To see if it fits at all what I have heard.. thanks.
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