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re: Lets be even more honest...
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:06 pm to piggilicious
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:06 pm to piggilicious
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What do you do besides hope like hell there is major improvement by next season?
Nothing...bitch about it.
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:10 pm to SmackoverHawg
Well, that's fair. Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:17 pm to Hawgeye
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Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:30 pm to Pigfeet
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Thats the right call, anyone that says different just doesn't know football very well.
No, it wasn't, not in any way - not in this situation, not in this game with these players & how they were executing, not with these players' previous experiences of this season, not with this head coach & his previous decisions/calls, and anyone who says otherwise not only just doesn't know football very well, but sure as hell doesn't know this particular team at all; as a matter of fact, I'd say he hasn't even watched a game of theirs in its entirety from the Tennessee game to this point.
There isn't a football player or coach I know, past or present, who's familiar with Arkansas football this year who doesn't believe Bielema made the worst decision possible by taking the ball out of the hands of the hottest player, a senior, on the team right now with a winning streak of successful experience in this situation & putting it on the foot of an inexperienced freshman kicker who's untested under these circumstances.
But one really doesn't have to be a football player or "expert" - just know this team & coach - to know that the decision to run up the middle for 3 consecutive downs of our final possession, then attempt a FG, without even attempting a pass from one of the 2 best QBs in the conference right now (the other being Prescott) was actually the MUCH riskier decision & lower percentage for success call for this team in that situation last night.
Just as everyone who knows anything about this team knew it was the right call to go for 2 for the win against Ole Miss since our defense was gone, yet our QB was spot on, everyone who knows anything about this team knows it WOULD have been the correct call with a higher probability for a win to let our QB handle that end game situation last night, without a doubt.
This post was edited on 11/22/15 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:32 pm to Hawgeye
I really believe the main issue with out defense is the lack of pressure from the front 4. we send 4 down like 90% of the time. if you do that you better get pressure from them or you are going to ask your secondary to cover someone for like 6 seconds which just isn't happening.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 12:59 pm to Pigfeet
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Thats the right call, anyone that says different just doesn't know football very well.
Agreed. Only thing I would have liked different though would have been a play action option on 2nd down. Or roll out to the left run/pass option. Have Brandon take a look, if nobody is wide open, just tuck the ball and get at least back to the LOS. Both a little riskier maybe, but knowing we couldn't stop MSU we really could have used 7 (or actually, I would have gone for two.) But playing for the FG was correct.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 1:46 pm to WonderWartHawg
I would imagine when we were completing passes and marching down the field on our last drive, everyone was asking WRs to stay in bounds and burn the damn clock so State had no time left...I was screaming to stop running out of bounds...
If someone is upset about how the final plays were handled, then they must have missed State passing all over us all night long, with some drives being very quick.
We were likely going to play zone and they were going to hit passes underneath. They would also have had all three of their timeouts in their back pocket.
Bert made the right calls...he knew the defense had nothing left to slow down Dak and State.
If someone is upset about how the final plays were handled, then they must have missed State passing all over us all night long, with some drives being very quick.
We were likely going to play zone and they were going to hit passes underneath. They would also have had all three of their timeouts in their back pocket.
Bert made the right calls...he knew the defense had nothing left to slow down Dak and State.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 1:56 pm to Hawgeye
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I would imagine when we were completing passes and marching down the field on our last drive, everyone was asking WRs to stay in bounds and burn the damn clock so State had no time left...I was screaming to stop running out of bounds...
True.
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If someone is upset about how the final plays were handled, then they must have missed State passing all over us all night long, with some drives being very quick.
Also true...but, had we not run out of bounds on those passes, we could've taken a shot or two at the endzone. In 99% of cases, and even in the one, playing for the FG is the right decision. But once we got well within FG range, we had two plays. Our special teams are shite. EVERYBODY in the game thread saw this shite coming. Now would BB have caught shite if it didn't go well? Probably, but our kicking game is atrocious, BA was hot, and they couldn't stop us. It's not like BB is a conservative coach, but holy shite!!! He seems to roll the dice at the wrong times and play conservative when he shouldn't. All I want is to see that he learns from this and in the future makes better in game decisions. Of course, a win makes him a genius and all indiscretions are forgiven.
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Bert made the right calls...he knew the defense had nothing left to slow down Dak and State.
Correct. So you agree that we needed a TD and a FG would've probably resulted in a loss anyway?
Oh well....frick it.
Gives us something to talk about.Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:02 pm to SmackoverHawg
No.
We make the FG and State has 0:36 and no timeouts left to march down to around the 30 yard line to get in FG range.
You score a TD OR you try 3 passes that fall incomplete and State still has all 3 TOs and over a minute to get in FG range.
It was the right calls by Enos and Bert. It just didn't work out the way we hoped.
We make the FG and State has 0:36 and no timeouts left to march down to around the 30 yard line to get in FG range.
You score a TD OR you try 3 passes that fall incomplete and State still has all 3 TOs and over a minute to get in FG range.
It was the right calls by Enos and Bert. It just didn't work out the way we hoped.
This post was edited on 11/22/15 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:07 pm to theenemy
Couldn't agree more...this is all on Bert's lack of recruiting. I don't give a shite how much he spins it, there is no fricking depth really anywhere on the team except some places on offense. We have NO third running back, ZERO defensive depth... I mean ZERO! We really don't even have 11 quality players to start. We have a walk-on on special teams and misses an assignment on the most important play of the fricking game. It steams me to the nth degree when your offense and QB plays they're fricking arse off and scores 50 fricking points...50....in regulation...and you lose. I'm sorry the more I thought about this, the madder I got last night. Bert can talk about recruiting all the hell he wants, but he has simply failed. He has got to have a MAJOR influx of talent on the defense...and now. This defense against the spread is the worst I've seen anywhere in country. And didn't Bert say he was only taking like 16 or so recruits this year?? What the hell?! If we have too many on scholly cut some walk-ons and go get some 4 and 5 star guys! ...sorry for the melt...I feel better now.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:20 pm to Jack Ruby
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Couldn't agree more...this is all on Bert's lack of recruiting. I don't give a shite how much he spins it, there is no fricking depth really anywhere on the
Truth. Gotta start cheating. It's that simple. frick integrity and all that shite. The only people you ever here that from are losers. And if we are paying players....we need to get a lot better at it!!!!
I have zero doubt that the only way to get elite talent is to cheat. You'll get some lifelong Razorback in state talent, but overall, you gotta play the game. We apparently don't. It is a reality of college sports now. Look at Kentucky BB. You REALLY think any coach recruits that well? 
Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:53 pm to SmackoverHawg
CBB is saying around 22 recruits as of now....
FWIW, and yep.. We need solid RB, Solid D, Corners, safeties, and especially LBs...
Hope it happens...
FWIW, and yep.. We need solid RB, Solid D, Corners, safeties, and especially LBs...
Hope it happens...
Posted on 11/22/15 at 2:58 pm to Jack Ruby
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We have NO third running back
We have a third RB. He just broke his neck.
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We have a walk-on on special teams and misses an assignment on the most important play of the fricking game.
Walk-ons playing special teams are extremely common. However, Voelzke is on scholarship and has been since the 2013 season. He's also our #3 TE so he sees the field on offense as well.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 3:05 pm to Razorback Reverend
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CBB is saying around 22 recruits as of now.... FWIW, and yep.. We need solid RB, Solid D, Corners, safeties, and especially LBs... Hope it happens...
How and from where?
I have a feeling people were right when he was dubbed "Houston Nutt 2.0". People keep talking about how he's building the team the "right way" but then in the next breath point to a lack of talent as an excuse for failure. Can't have it both ways. Either we have talent and he's not coaching it up or we have shite recruiting. Either way. We seemed to be fricked for the near future. The talking heads and knob gobblers will talk up the D this off season and how the young talent has really progressed. Blah, fricking blah, blah, blah. Hopes will get raised, pushed in our shite will get early in the season, we'll win a few games, almost get ranked, get into a shitty bowl and everyone will talk about "next year" four games into the season. This cycle will repeat itself for years to come. Been there and done that. I absolutely fricking refuse to listen to, much less, believe ANY preseason hype. He'll be here for 7-10 years. Excuses will be made. Suck we will. But don't get me wrong, firing him is not an option. The mistake was made in the initial hiring. Our asses are pot committed now. Our defense is as shitty this year as it was in year one. We had a FEW good games last year. Ole Miss' QB played atrociously, LSU? well that's self explanatory and we stopped the worst Texas offense in history. This year? We've stopped no decent offenses. We are the worst scoring D in the conference by FAR!!!! But hey, progress n shite. Posted on 11/22/15 at 4:00 pm to Pigfeet
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Thats the right call, anyone that says different just doesn't know football very well.
You also have to know your team. We're fricking terrible at field goals. Just terrible. Look at all of the blocks we've had this year and last.
Now, I don't think you go all out for the touchdown. But Bert should've given BA a chance to make something happen on third down... even if it's not a touchdown, if we get a first down there there's still more time to burn off the clock (and a bunch of y'all were claiming that even if we had gotten the field goal, Dak had too much time), and also more time to maybe try and get a touchdown if you feel really confident in a play call.
BA has thrown ONE interception in the last 4 games. ONE. Even that interception came on a trick play where he only had one option. And he's thrown like 20 touchdowns or something crazy over that span.
So yes, not giving your 5th year senior quarterback who has been tearing up defenses this second half of the season at least ONE chance to win the game was a bad call.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 6:03 pm to theenemy
I don't think we've seen Smith drop a DE to cut off the slants once in 2 yrs.
That's what lost us the Sugar Bowl against Ohio St. Mallett got comfy and they switched it up in him.
That wasn't done once against Toledo
That's what lost us the Sugar Bowl against Ohio St. Mallett got comfy and they switched it up in him.
That wasn't done once against Toledo
Posted on 11/22/15 at 6:03 pm to theenemy
I don't think we've seen Smith drop a DE to cut off the slants once in 2 yrs.
That's what lost us the Sugar Bowl against Ohio St. Mallett got comfy and they switched it up in him.
That wasn't done once against Toledo
That's what lost us the Sugar Bowl against Ohio St. Mallett got comfy and they switched it up in him.
That wasn't done once against Toledo
Posted on 11/22/15 at 6:17 pm to Jack Ruby
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.this is all on Bert's lack of recruiting.
CBB admitted today that we are thin on defense and he took blame for not recruiting more LB's the last couple of years, he knows it. Didn't help that Williams got hurt.
Other than the allocation (position wise) of recruits, he has recruited pretty well, I thought.
Posted on 11/22/15 at 7:06 pm to Gladius Veritas
I agree with pretty much everything you said in your post.
I didn't have a problem with us going for it on fourth down but I don't think that throwing the home run ball was the way to go. A play action or roll out where BA would have had a shot at picking up the first down would have been best.
I also thought we should have at least tried to score a touchdown on the last drive. BA had the hot hand and to really try and set up for a field goal with a questionable place kicking squad wasn't our best option. That might have been what we were left with if we didn't score a TD but we needed to try for the TD--partially the same reason we went for two in the Ole Miss OT--you put it in the hands of your hot playmaker to make a play, continue the momentum you have built up, and possibly win the game.
Granted, MSU would have gotten the ball back but they were going to get it back anyway. Make them go the length of the field to beat us and they may very well have done so but our D did have some success against them in the third quarter. I just believe that would have given us our best shot to win notwithstanding the lack of confidence in our pass defense.
A big part of the problem, and it no doubt has figured into some of the decisions the last two games and others too, is the lack of a respectable place kicking game. Whether it's the kicker, blockers, special teams coach or a combination thereof, I really don't know of anyone that has much faith in it. Why are we in this position? When you are having to make decisions you otherwise wouldn't have to make because of a deficient place kicking game this spells trouble. Hocker was good and some of us remember the real money kickers like Little and McClard and there have certainly been others in between but we really have no excuse for being in a situation where we can't count on our place kicking to win a game. It has cost us this year. Is it going to be any better next year?
Obviously heading into next year our pass defense and place kicking will have to improve significantly if we're going to continue any progress; otherwise, we'll be about the same or maybe even regress.
I didn't have a problem with us going for it on fourth down but I don't think that throwing the home run ball was the way to go. A play action or roll out where BA would have had a shot at picking up the first down would have been best.
I also thought we should have at least tried to score a touchdown on the last drive. BA had the hot hand and to really try and set up for a field goal with a questionable place kicking squad wasn't our best option. That might have been what we were left with if we didn't score a TD but we needed to try for the TD--partially the same reason we went for two in the Ole Miss OT--you put it in the hands of your hot playmaker to make a play, continue the momentum you have built up, and possibly win the game.
Granted, MSU would have gotten the ball back but they were going to get it back anyway. Make them go the length of the field to beat us and they may very well have done so but our D did have some success against them in the third quarter. I just believe that would have given us our best shot to win notwithstanding the lack of confidence in our pass defense.
A big part of the problem, and it no doubt has figured into some of the decisions the last two games and others too, is the lack of a respectable place kicking game. Whether it's the kicker, blockers, special teams coach or a combination thereof, I really don't know of anyone that has much faith in it. Why are we in this position? When you are having to make decisions you otherwise wouldn't have to make because of a deficient place kicking game this spells trouble. Hocker was good and some of us remember the real money kickers like Little and McClard and there have certainly been others in between but we really have no excuse for being in a situation where we can't count on our place kicking to win a game. It has cost us this year. Is it going to be any better next year?
Obviously heading into next year our pass defense and place kicking will have to improve significantly if we're going to continue any progress; otherwise, we'll be about the same or maybe even regress.
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